Sirken+Deru v Rogean on server rules

[Derubael]

Hey Tecmos, I have a news flash for you. Every rule you've ever seen stated on Project 1999 is always subject to Staff Discretion. We reserve the right to enforce, not enforce, or completely throw out whatever we want, as all situations are fluid and changing, and no two instances are alike.

Furthermore,

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player ..... If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).

This would imply that unintentional trains are not subject to disciplinary action, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Rogean

Q: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild getting ready to raid Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag.

This hasn't been followed on this server in years. It seems more like a suggestion anyway. Or are you saying first in force is part of this servers raid policy (as this would imply if it's suggestions were followed to the letter)

Originally Posted by Rogean

Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone.

How bout pulling aggro on someones kite? Would that be considered disrupting their raid? Kind of a grey area I suppose.


Good attempt at calling us out over nothing though. 10/10 Would probably destroy again.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't like the normal game play, don't go after the normal raid targets, stick to your restricted targets.

You mean like fear trash?

[quido]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whats outdated about Rogean's explanation of training responsibility ?

Originally Posted by Rogean

Q: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild getting ready to raid Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag.

This is from a time when Plane of Sky wasn't even open, and there were only 2 guilds capable of clearing Fear and Hate. The fact that people still quote this as gospel in trying to claim that they should control a zone is beyond retarded to me. Obviously I'm not advocating shitting on some guild's planar clear for armor, but in the case of racing for a contested raid mob, to try to invoke this is plain stupid. I see it happen repeatedly.

[Aaron]

RnF is crazy.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously I'm not advocating shitting on some guild's planar clear for armor

Obviously you would NEVER.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Staff Discretion.

Well and good if, for example, you are called in to deal with some dispute.

It does not seem quite so well and good to me though, when Rogean exercised his discretion in a situation and then you and Sirken are all over R&F making it clear you would not have done things the same way. Maybe I just don't understand how the staff chain of command or whatever functions.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is from a time when Plane of Sky wasn't even open, and there were only 2 guilds capable of clearing Fear and Hate. The fact that people still quote this as gospel in trying to claim that they should control a zone is beyond retarded to me. Obviously I'm not advocating shitting on some guild's planar clear for armor, but in the case of racing for a contested raid mob, to try to invoke this is plain stupid. I see it happen repeatedly.

you didn't even quote the right quote....

I was referring to his explanation about training, I wasn't talking about the 'don't be a douche" in the planes text

but its w/e

[quido]

That's what I was talking about. Ya moran.

[Tecmos Deception]

/quote=Rogean]Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player ..... If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).[/quote]

[QUOTE=Derubael;1285779]This would imply that unintentional trains are not subject to disciplinary action, wouldn't it?

[QUOTE=Derubael;1285779Would probably destroy again.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how this qualifies as destroying me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tecmos Deception]

Wow. Huge quoting failures [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]