Rat Race (New AGC Game Idea)

[TheUnbeliever]

You are winning a fungi.. even if the host is making profit, it doesnt matter. This is an event for a person who likes to bet just like any other casino game. Or even people who just like to "test their luck". He is giving someone a chance to win a FUNGI (~100k) for a buy in of 5k and like a previous poster said a chance 1/30? Thats a great chance IMO.

I think this is a wonderful opportunity and has not been offered yet. Those who like to have fun and want a chance at an ultra expensive item then 5k isnt really an issue. Why not look at the positive of this event. It breaks the redundant farming/grinding and gives mid level and maybe even low level characters a chance to become wealthy.

I will be signing up not just because of the prize but because of the fun it will bring.
Good Luck to all that enter and participate!

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool idea. I was going to throw down a bit of what August posted, though - that margin is enough to make me less than interested.

25 people at 5k is reasonable. 30 people at 5k is reaching. Having people pay into your sales margin so you can ostensibly give away more stuff to others is not a strong sales point.

I understand, and I want it to be clear I make money to spend money to do giveaways like this and to give free things out as well, and to be able to maintain a casino for players who like them. I don't have an alt that I'm trying to tweak, I'm not part of a huge guild trying to make money for them. I'm just a guy who has fun ideas and wants to do them.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by TheUnbeliever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are winning a fungi.. even if the host is making profit, it doesnt matter. This is an event for a person who likes to bet just like any other casino game. Or even people who just like to "test their luck". He is giving someone a chance to win a FUNGI (~100k) for a buy in of 5k and like a previous poster said a chance 1/30? Thats a great chance IMO.

I think this is a wonderful opportunity and has not been offered yet. Those who like to have fun and want a chance at an ultra expensive item then 5k isnt really an issue. Why not look at the positive of this event. It breaks the redundant farming/grinding and gives mid level and maybe even low level characters a chance to become wealthy.

I will be signing up not just because of the prize but because of the fun it will bring.
Good Luck to all that enter and participate!

1 Post, Registered this month. I smell a dupe account merely made to provide support to the OP.

[baalzy]

Hrm.

Bind somewhere obscure.
Collect bets.
Cast Gate.
Go AFK for a couple hours.
Check log.
Dispense reward.
Pocket the rest.

Brilliant.

[Swish]

Would want the fungi (or whatever item) on a GM, or reputable EC trader in advance if I participated [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[August]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand, and I want it to be clear I make money to spend money to do giveaways like this and to give free things out as well, and to be able to maintain a casino for players who like them. I don't have an alt that I'm trying to tweak, I'm not part of a huge guild trying to make money for them. I'm just a guy who has fun ideas and wants to do them.

Let's be clear.

This is NOT a giveaway. This is a scheme to make more money off of an item than it is normally worth.

To maintain a casino takes seed capital way less than what you would earn here, and a casino by nature tends to MAKE you money, not lose you money.

No guarantee that you don't have an inside horse.

No guarantee that you will even cough up a Fungi.

Minimum entry participants at a fixed cost with no additional prize support for increased participation?

If you're being real you need to re-assess 'why' you're doing it if it's not for the money.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would want the fungi (or whatever item) on a GM, or reputable EC trader in advance if I participated [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to say I'm a reputable EC trader. If I could get the GM's stamp of approval I would in a heart beat. Hopefully after a few of these Rat Races I won't need GM's approval and people will just know I'm good on my word.

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's be clear.

This is NOT a giveaway. This is a scheme to make more money off of an item than it is normally worth.

To maintain a casino takes seed capital way less than what you would earn here, and a casino by nature tends to MAKE you money, not lose you money.

No guarantee that you don't have an inside horse.

No guarantee that you will even cough up a Fungi.

Minimum entry participants at a fixed cost with no additional prize support for increased participation?

If you're being real you need to re-assess 'why' you're doing it if it's not for the money.

You bring up very valid points. Obviously unless I have a GM vouch for me this is all based on trust. (Which I hope to attain)
I'm not opposed to prize support for participation, but for me not to make a profit for taking the time setting it up, and making sure everyone has an equal chance at winning is a bit much. Maybe 50k is a bit much for hosting the event but like I said profits are going to go towards other Race items and giveaways. (I do free giveaways in EC Tunnel often) Now, lets meet in the middle what would make you (you as in everyone) want to play a game like this, and for me to be able to keep doing these for everyone? Secondary prize supports is a good start. What about other ways to help me ensure everyone has an equal chance at winning etc.

[TheUnbeliever]

actually im a real person with my own account and my own point of view. funny it seems mine differs from yours and the host is accused of duping an account.. lol. maybe i liked the idea so much i actually bothered to post a response and had never done so before.

[August]

50k for hosting the event is way too much - and let's not forget you've set this up as a 'minimum entry'. I would easily host this event for 10k.

Hell if I was bored I would host the event for free. What all is there to do besides

a) Own a Fungi
b) Own an account (free)
c) Log onto account where you said you'd be, and choose a winner when they get to you?

This consists of

a) making sure everyone who gives you money is represented as a lvl 1 toon
b) making sure that the person you give a tunic to is one of those people

This is at tops 1 hour of work. People spend more time just trying to sell a fungi tunic than this, rather it be on the forums or in EC, and get nothing more than the price of the tunic.

If you want to claim that you are using proceeds for charity, then you need to show your examples of charity. You can't say you're 'going to do giveaways' or that you've 'done giveaways' without any proof. Charitable entities tend to have to disclose where their funds are going.

What I know about you

a) You petitioned to get an ip exemption as your first post
b) You asked for advice on gearing out your first char, a bard, and ended up doing it with a guardian's mace and full mystic koada'dal by 45
c) Your only other threads are about gambling schemes and how you can make money.

You're less than reputable, by any stretch of the imagination. 'Other race items?' Pray tell - why do you need a huge profit to buy 'more' race items - that you will then also have a huge profit off of? Does this culminate in some huge robin-hood event?

The whole thing stinks.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not opposed to prize support for participation, but for me not to make a profit for taking the time setting it up, and making sure everyone has an equal chance at winning is a bit much. Maybe 50k is a bit much for hosting the event but like I said profits are going to go towards other Race items and giveaways.

You have an interesting approach. You're basically inventing your own profit center here based on this "giveaway" contest.

Nobody would argue that you aren't entitled to some compensation for your time, but using the words "profit" and "giveaway" in describing your concept is just going to turn people off. Arguing that it subsidizes your other giveaways doesn't do much either - it's like Ocean Spray hiking the price of grapefruit juice to subsidize their orange juice production. People who buy grapefruit juice feel slighted, and would just as rather go buy orange (i.e. sit in EC and try to hit one of your no-buy giveaways versus paying for a fungi contest).

To sell this idea, you really have to make people feel like their 5k is being used to maximize their chance at a win and not half-buying a chance at winning, and half-buying into your bank account. I don't think you're doing this yet.