Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[baramur]

Add in a solution to let guilds try vs/trak every now and then without tmo/fe/ib and this proposal is solid. How can people still complain when the guilds that held 97 percent of all raid content is now saying they not raid almost half of raid content at all.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Add in a solution to let guilds try vs/trak every now and then without tmo/fe/ib and this proposal is solid. How can people still complain when the guilds that held 97 percent of all raid content is now saying they not raid almost half of raid content at all.

TOP content should be 100% competitive. VS/Trak/CT not being open is what allows so many raid mobs to be given up. Every raid guild is 100% welcome to compete on those mobs. It's really not too difficult to get an FTE on VS and kill it, or Trak for that matter. You just have to... try.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just have to... try.

This sums EVERYTHING up...

Poor Alarti (Good Post/Variety)

[Nirgon]

I'm responding to Writ3r who, I'm sure, thinks I only want TMO to get everything again.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm responding to Writ3r who, I'm sure, thinks I only want TMO to get everything again.

I realize that which is why I apologized to you, it wasn't your intention to bring me into that discussion. I did feel that I needed to point out that there is progress and there is something to show, just not publicly yet (see some of the responses in this thread to see why, unfortunately [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I realize that which is why I apologized to you, it wasn't your intention to bring me into that discussion. I did feel that I needed to point out that there is progress and there is something to show, just not publicly yet (see some of the responses in this thread to see why, unfortunately [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

Right, but how complicated does this really need to be?

What is so complicated about this when Alarti can throw together a paragraph in I would guess less than an hour? Especially when I think its just going to be a full rotation calendar when things like member attendence from casual guilds/# of current VP keys are a huge issue.

A weekly calendar can be made and voted on by heads from each guild, especially based on their current and most deserving members' epic quest completion. I'm not completely against that.

But you guys also need to get after Rogean or the devs here to remove variance outside VP/Trak. It creates artificial delays (esp if you think long term # of mobs that will spawn per year as a result) that are totally unnecessary in a calendar/"guaranteed you get it" system.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, but how complicated does this really need to be?

What is so complicated about this when Alarti can throw together a paragraph in I would guess less than an hour? Especially when I think its just going to be a full rotation calendar when things like member attendence from casual guilds/# of current VP keys are a huge issue.

A weekly calendar can be made and voted on by heads from each guild, especially based on their current and most deserving members' epic quest completion. I'm not completely against that.

But you guys also need to get after Rogean or the devs here to remove variance outside VP/Trak. It creates artificial delays (esp if you think long term # of mobs that will spawn per year as a result) that are totally unnecessary in a calendar/"guaranteed you get it" system.

Again, it's got to be complicated because look at the basic backlash of a "simple" solution that was put together in 5 minutes.

Getting so many different people to come to a compromise no one likes but everyone can live with is a difficult negotiation process. When you have 5 or 6 independent bodies discussing a solution to a problem from either end of the spectrum it takes time and deliberation.

I'm not trying to put down your idea, I'm just letting you know your guild as well as mine are working on a solution, and it will be what it is. No one knows what the final solution is going to look like yet, but things are progressing and something will come out of all of this.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, it's got to be complicated because look at the basic backlash of a "simple" solution that was put together in 5 minutes.

Getting so many different people to come to a compromise no one likes but everyone can live with is a difficult negotiation process. When you have 5 or 6 independent bodies discussing a solution to a problem from either end of the spectrum it takes time and deliberation.

I'm not trying to put down your idea, I'm just letting you know your guild as well as mine are working on a solution, and it will be what it is. No one knows what the final solution is going to look like yet, but things are progressing and something will come out of all of this.

Backlash is to be expected. What I hope people realize is this is a compromise and as such they must be willing to negotiate. I was offering up 22 raid mobs a month for free. That is a significant loss to TMO's or FE/IB's raid totals. Actually its a huge fucking loss. I would expect other guilds to recognize that and realize what they are getting even if its not everything they want. Only children demand everything they want.
"mine! MINE MINE !"

[Spitty]

Nice. I really like the proposal, and Nirgon follows right up with solid points.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

competition

You keep using that word to describe how things work here.

Is it competition to race your mate dragging your ballsacks across a field of broken glass?

Is it competition when someone brings donuts into work and you rush to them in a frenzied sprint to grab as many as you can?

Or when you try to hail a taxi and you're screaming "FTE! FTE!", and when one shows up you throw a javelin at the driver, then shove and claw your way inside?

Then at the end of the day you go home to your dumpster and alleycat family, and say "Boy, that was fun. I sure bested all of them. Hailed four fucking cabs". Then you drift off to sleep wondering whether you'll make it through the night without a restauranteur dumping a half eaten pizza in the alley, to which you'll need to race a pack of stray dogs.

But you'll sleep comfortably, until then; after all, you relish the competition.