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Old 11-10-2013, 03:03 PM
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OP this shit is old news. The deep web has been around since before napster. And .onion isn't deep web anymore. 90% of the .onion are NSA/CIA/FBI owned assets. Your tax money at work. Cleaning up human trafficking in other countries and giving the pharmacutical companies an edge, while creating a massive black market for this shit and helping to perpetuate it.

By the way we'd probably have less human trafficking, and drug problems if the state just stayed the fuck out of these issues and let people police their own communities at the local level. But neeeewwwppppp. An abused wife can't even kill her husband in retalation for raping their kids. And yes guns are an effective means of accomplishing this task which is none of the worlds business to be airded on fox news network.

In order to play with the deep web now you have to shell out some cash and have communications that make you suspicious and a target. They will sneak into your house at night and try to rootkit your hardware if you go that far. Yes I have seen a few articles from super hacker needs who are just paranoid tinfoil hats who have discovered backdoors and incursions into their CVN repositories and networks just for using simple encryption or running freenet. Can you still do this as a nerd if your very careful and computer literate? Yeah, but it's risky and requires exposing yourself to communications YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO! This is all because of the bullshit government spying creating this dark place and making it even deeper and worse than it ever was.

Meaning only super rich power elites have access to the truly deep web. Guess who's buying those child prostitutes? The pope my friends.

Enjoy your channeled and canned web 3.0 guys. You do not have access to all the information. Just what your allowed to have. Filtered and cleaned. Perfect and sanitary. Designed to create an optimal society where the top 1% stay the top 1% and everyone else fights each other in distraction and ignorance. Web 4.0 is when the bad stuff is 100% your government and it's doled out to keep the criminal syndicates and corrupt bureaucrats in line (it's pretty much there, but a ways to go before its complete down to the level of retards googling for shit).
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:14 AM
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You guys really have no clue. It probably won't ever matter to you guys, or maybe even make a difference in your lives. But shit is serious. Internet belongs to the American people (ok maybe the world), we payed money and the DoD created it as a service to us through our taxes. Private interest (mostly universities at first to be clear and avoid the nerd bullshit )built it and grew it as a public domain. And now its part of our culture.

If you don't give a fuck about how it works. And whats going on. Thats fine. But don't tell me I'm an idiot for seeing all that shit 1st hand. There is no conspiracy. The entire traffic of the web is being archived daily. The government is without any warrents or really courts at all hacking everyones computers and breaking encryption and hacking legitimate projects, both at home and abroad to provide backdoors. The sad thing is they in most cases leave traces and break shit all a long the way. They perform corporate espionage. They've been doing this since Xerox and (probably before) were sending bugged copiers to Russia. Except now its everyone and everywhere.

The Linux kernel itself is at risk to this shit. Linux runs most of the backbone of the web. Your android phones. Tampering been detected in several algorythms and programs. Of course diligent devs fix the security holes and zero days when they pop up. But the NSA/CIA, government, military are actively seeking to keep introducing these issues. Especially in apps like TOR.

Understand when I say they I mean NSA. Military. Darpa. Top level shit. Except most of their work is farmed out to smaller civilian firms which get payed big big money to spend their time cracking peoples routers, and dumping malicious code all over, and filtering and running projects like carnivore. It's a service the government mostly pays for with oversight from the NSA.

There's phone companies who provide VOIP or skype like services that are complete shell companies of governments, both foreign and domestic. And they all work together to trade data on us. Worldwide.

The amount of information available is insane. And the people with the most power and least oversight. Military Industrail Complex, Spies, Criminals, have access to most of it. And they all interact with eachother, use it, and manipulate it.

It's not a conspiracy. It's a career path if your interested.

I think the most sad part of it all is the horrendous amount spent on domestic spying could be spent better elswhere... health, education, civil engineering, police, infrastructure, science, research, just about anywhere would be a better use for it rather than in the pockets of rich powerful fascists. Very little of the data collected proves to be useful at all. Most of it, 99% is white noise. And the 1% that matters only matters in a political sense.

But than you guys don't even want to question your governments management of NASA and top secret information. The deletion of our history and heritage, and destruction of cultures for colonial interest.

The internet shit is just an obvious tip of the iceberg to people who do that shit for a living. Go visit an ATnT telco, its been a hot topic of discussion since before the towers went down.

It's pretty staggering. I've gone through the top secret leaked pdfs that were int he news and been following this shit a lot. I've had many discussions with experts on the internet about it. Shits for real.

I've also noticed how the way the web is accessed has been changed and how google has changed as well. That shit is being manipulated to make it "simpler" and "stupider" and harder to stumble apon the crazy shit.

Search engine quality has gone down dramatically over the years as its been monopolized.... this I'll agree is probably more to do with a monopoly and less to do with government influence.

For instance it use to be much easier to access scientific white papers on Martian spectroscopy. Now the really juicy ones are burried if findable at all.

And uhh... all those chips that get shipped in from china in your stupid ass little wireless routers... hahahahaha
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:32 AM
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:29 AM
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running an encrypted virtual machine inside a linux box over a vpn with proxies is pretty much the only way to surf anon. tor (alone) has multiple vulnerabilities that can be exploited if "they" are trying to find your data trail.
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:36 AM
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running an encrypted virtual machine inside a linux box over a vpn with proxies is pretty much the only way to surf anon. tor (alone) has multiple vulnerabilities that can be exploited if "they" are trying to find your data trail.
All this does is give some reasonable protection of evidence, or whatever it is you have saved. But their logging these streams with TOR and everything else from when you connect your network to the ISP and the endpoints out of the TOR nodes. In extreme cases your virtual machine is running code with an exploit or has been cracked already. In any case it's enough to get you in trouble if they decide your a terrorist. A means of physically destroying your computer is the best bet, but they will still have logs that you visited XYZ vpn. And may even have some data from the end point. And the 5th does not apply to computers. If you destroy or obstruct the government from seeing what is there, its taken as a sign of guilt. No one gets this level of attention unless their developing encryption or working in a field that threatens their ability to see what they want to see. Or unless your involved in something obviously interesting like those .onion site mentioned by the OP.

And if you get accused of being a terrorist, or whatever... you better hand over the keys because you'll get fried for exorcising your right to private communication. No more habeas corpus my friends. They can hold you indefinitely until you give them what they want.

I think there's plenty software out there still thats probably fine. But it's iffy business and any one running a VPN is a priority target for the kind of bullshit bugging and monitoring their pulling now.

TOR is especially risky right now. Malware copies have been hosted by these agencies that are open as plain text to the right people. So as far as i'm concerned its a toy to circumvent peoples bans. or whatever.

I don't even bother with it. I surf in plain text or bother with https for banking. I post this shit here for everyone to see. Aint worried about it. Their also not interested in finding people who download TV really unless your extremely dumb about it and happen to be a random target/example. And thats handled by agencies much lower anyway who request access to the more interesting information on a case by case basis.

There is surprisingly better information on the plain web anyway. The darknets are full of useless crap. Mostly.

If you want to keep something secret do it in person, or if you are accessing information you should not, use a live CD and a throw away from someone else's access point.

Don't leave trails or information like usernames, passwords, details, that can be traced back to you in your communications. It's pretty straightfoward shit. It would be extremely dumb of me to use "runlvlzero" as an account name on a website that would get me in trouble. Or as a "hackername" if i happend to allegedly deface a health care website. Or whatever.

Ironicly this is mostly useless to the gov... they can see people use tor, and see what places they visit, and sometimes find out what they did there, but most of it is such bullshit that its not worth sending anyone do do anything about it. It's much more useful for blackmail or foreign espionage. You and your crazy fetishes are not interesting to the NSA or whoever they report to. You don't have to worry unlesss your a businessman within the ranks of google or microsoft or your a banker or politician, religious leader, or whatever.

There's plenty of news about reporters who are being hammered by both the US and UK for outing the level of spying being done. People working with Snowden being held for treason etc...

Just rest assured that your private instant msging is not so private =)

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Treat doing business on the internet like dong business in a crowded, but noisy, yet lawless bazaar, full of street rats, disreputable merchants, thugs, and organized crime.
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Old 11-11-2013, 08:25 AM
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but they will still have logs that you visited XYZ vpn. And may even have some data from the end point.
Didn't I cover that in my post? Yes there are offshore VPN's that are not legally bound by America to save logs. USe those Vpn's

How I personally stay Anon if I am doing something illegal.

Drive around my city look for a WEP encrypted network. They take 10-15 mins to crack.

Load up VM, load up VPN, load up a bot use the socks5 proxy > purchase drugs
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:35 AM
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Didn't I cover that in my post? Yes there are offshore VPN's that are not legally bound by America to save logs. USe those Vpn's

How I personally stay Anon if I am doing something illegal.

Drive around my city look for a WEP encrypted network. They take 10-15 mins to crack.

Load up VM, load up VPN, load up a bot use the socks5 proxy > purchase drugs
These idiots don't know that. I'm verbose. Lol

*** Swish, use a crap laptop with a live CD so you don't have to worry about it. Anyway TLDR... I can't word it simple enough. Linux Live CD's are legitimately benign from trojans. OpenVPN works just fine. Use good firewalls. And don't access something over and over from one location. Too be honest what do you really need to browse that anonymously anyway? If you knew you wouldn't be asking this question. hehe. SIPRNET docs would be getting handed to you in person on a thumb drive.

I agree the deep web as explained by the article is just what you explained Orror, you have a good way with explaining it.. Any good stuff is going to be on Darknets which are invite only, you need friends in real life to tell you how to access them. The flaw in darknets is they can be infiltrated by spies just like regular institutions. However again, if you access the web through some other access point, use some hardware you aren't afraid to destroy. No one is going to find you.

If you used freenet, did you node yourself with people who gave you keys? Or did you node yourself publicly... people with good caches and deeper networks have more stuff. Freenet sucks anyway for shit like multimedia. Just use TPB from a good tunnel. No one is going to care that much about it yet. The people that are getting taken down left and right are the hosts of those .onions and other repositories, which are usually overseas and easier targets.

I searched for good documentation on conspiracies on freenet and found nothing of real value. I was just connected with low security and didn't see anything really interesting beyond your generic bullshit and porn. I did see some good articles on how to be more anonymous though. And some links to software but that could have been a honeypot.
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:32 PM
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:30 AM
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:31 AM
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I'll leave this little tidbit here for you guys... slashdot is a horrible aggregate now but the stories that occasionally get linked there are still pretty good sometimes.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/11...-serve-malware

Thats like 1... article...

There's so fucking much to find on the web right now its literally hilarious. The cats out of the bag for anyone interested in doing some work. Also. I don't think the NSA really cares that the intellectuals know.

They just care that people don't come burning down their industry with pitchforks. I don't think they have anything to worry about judging humanity.
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