These mobs are camped! - Page 2

Nocte · #1 07-24-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't about respect, or taking someone's camp. If you are on say, seafury isle, killing about 4 of them before the ones you killed, you can't really claim all of the seafuries, can you?

Yes, you can. Don't assume that more people won't show up to group with the person already there. Maybe they are settling into a groove because buffs took some mana and they're warming up to a pace they plan on maintaining. Maybe they just had bad fucking luck (resists, etc) and they don't need you and your score card breathing down their neck, too.

The word "respect" shows up about half a dozen times in your post but I'm not convinced you know what it means unless it benefits you. If someone's there, it's camped. Ask if they're leaving soon or wait for them to wipe out, but don't expect some portion of the spawn based on your evaluation of their performance.

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And fyi I haven't even killed a spec mob in oasis ...yet.. lol.

Then what the hell is your problem with something that hasn't affected you yet? lol.

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It isn't maneuvering of rules, or finding a loophole even.

Yes, it is.

Lanvaren · #2 07-24-2010, 05:11 PM

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Yes, it is.

The rules say if you can't kill it, it's not camped.

That's pretty blatantly stated, no maneuvering required.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Some dude killing a couple of specs and vehemently refusing to let someone else kill any specs at all is sort of a fail/lose situation IMO.

Lanvaren · #3 07-24-2010, 05:12 PM

Also, it comes down more to "courtesy" than "respect" - I.E. I'm courteous enough to avoid this stupid drama over specs, since there's really absolutely nothing about you or the rules to respect.

Nocte · #4 07-24-2010, 06:23 PM

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Also, it comes down more to "courtesy" than "respect"

This.

The you can follow the letter of the "law" and still be a total chucklefuck. Just because there's a rule that allows you to take an action without administrative reprisal doesn't absolve you of being an asshole for doing it.

Kinamur1999 · #5 07-24-2010, 05:16 PM

Except what makes you think that these people are going to be satisfied with their two specters? Lets say 20 minutes go by and the original camper goes afk for 2 minutes, comes back and the guy says Well you weren't killing it you can't claim it.

If people are going to throw the rulebook down, argue, and post on the forums about 2 specters why not try for 3 or 4....

Bubbles · #6 07-24-2010, 06:20 PM

Two words: Kunark Soon.

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Lazortag · #7 07-24-2010, 06:23 PM

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Yes, you can. Don't assume that more people won't show up to group with the person already there. Maybe they are settling into a groove because buffs took some mana and they're warming up to a pace they plan on maintaining. Maybe they just had bad fucking luck (resists, etc) and they don't need you and your score card breathing down their neck, too.

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Originally Posted by Lanvaren

The rules say if you can't kill it, it's not camped.

That's pretty blatantly stated, no maneuvering required.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Some dude killing a couple of specs and vehemently refusing to let someone else kill any specs at all is sort of a fail/lose situation IMO.

Here we have two reasonable positions that seem to conflict but are actually referring to two completely different situations. If someone is camping only one spectre because, say, they're a cocky level 30 Bard (wink wink) and it takes them an hour to kite red mobs, they really shouldn't make any fuss about the seven mobs that they can't reasonably kill, and so I wouldn't say that the specs in that case are "camped". However, in situations where most of the mobs are killed before repops happen, no one should be breathing down their neck scrutinizing them for not being able to camp "all" the mobs. That's ridiculous - players camping mobs will be slower killing them during some spawn cycles than others. I was in a group last night in HK where sometimes we'd have no problem killing all of the mobs in the basement before repops, but at other times we'd have trouble catching up with the repops (mostly because of med breaks, but surely there are other situations that exist where groups will be slower than normal). This doesn't mean that we were unable to hold the camp - with some common sense anyone could have understood that we were just having bad luck.

TLDR: please give people the benefit of the doubt when they're able to kill a sizeable number of mobs in a certain camp, but when they're clearly unable to hold a reasonable portion of the camp, that's a different issue altogether.

h0tr0d (shaere) · #8 07-24-2010, 07:14 PM

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Yes, you can. Don't assume that more people won't show up to group with the person already there. Maybe they are settling into a groove because buffs took some mana and they're warming up to a pace they plan on maintaining. Maybe they just had bad fucking luck (resists, etc) and they don't need you and your score card breathing down their neck, too.

Again, not talking about those situations. I am talking about they simplyare not killing the cycle, and I do not mean 7/8 , or 9/10. As some say I am nitpicking a rule,. or bending it, or finding a loophole, you are skewing what I say, or ignoring it as well. They simply are not killing said mobs, because of killing speed. period.

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The word "respect" shows up about half a dozen times in your post but I'm not convinced you know what it means unless it benefits you. If someone's there, it's camped.

Nice, another assumption and personal attack, as well! The point is, if someone is there, it does not mean it is camped. presence alone, does not define a camp. You also must show.....

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Ask if they're leaving soon or wait for them to wipe out, but don't expect some portion of the spawn based on your evaluation of their performance.

It is not a judgement, as in, "they're not killing fast enough for my taste". It is an observation, "Ah, they aren't killing all of them, let me shoot them a tell'.

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Then what the hell is your problem with something that hasn't affected you yet? lol.

Because I play here, on this server, and therefore it concerns me. I see this quite often, and wanted to bring up my observation/opinion/point, in a forum. The only reason I posted it in this particular forum is because I knew some would start to flame, or make attacks, digs, take cheap shots, whatever.

Should I engage in a shout fest? ffa kill fest? train? ooc war? Maybe I should put names and say nasty things about others here? You assume this happened to me. We all play here, it should concern us all what is socially acceptable behavior for this 'society' and what is not. People that look the other way are part of the problem in our 'real world', it is no different in the digital world.

Anyway I guess what Lanvaren said, and this I agree with also...

TLDR: please give people the benefit of the doubt when they're able to kill a sizeable number of mobs in a certain camp, but when they're clearly unable to hold a reasonable portion of the camp, that's a different issue altogether.

I would also state, asking someone if you can kill the mobs they are NOT killing is a courtesy, but only that. It is merely a courtesy. If you think it implies you have ownership or possession, then kill the mobs, and lay claim to them as part of your camp. I would also argue, you do not have the right to deny someone from killing them with a no. You can ask them to please not do so, for whatever reason, but you cannot deny it if you are not camping (killing) them. So someone trying to say NO, and deny another in this instance, is what I view as selfish, discourteous, rude, narrow minded, what have you.

I understand the mentality of "man, if I give him an inch, he will take a mile." And in those situations you would probably have chat logs, or a screenshot even as proof when you used the appropriate channels to report the behavior.

It is unfortunate some people would, and will abuse someone trying to be nice and share, but not everyone is like that. And not everyone will deny sharing on the flip side. But you cannot become a wanker, because you assume someone else is. And to be honest, if someone had a valid concern and asked me to not touch a mob, even though they were not killing it, I would lay off most likely. All would depend on their attitude, and tact, as stated in this thread by fastboy21.

The fact people assume I am looking to condone, or even am partaking in rude behavior by intruding upon someone's camp is sad. Just because I bring it up on the forum does not mean anything, other then I have observed or f said situation. Perhaps as part, but do not assume, because everyone knows, when make an assumption, you make an ass out of u and umption.

Nocte · #9 07-24-2010, 08:52 PM

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Nice, another assumption and personal attack, as well!

It's not an assumption, those were the words you used, in the context you used them. You're going on an on about how you should be able to take a portion of someone else's camp because they should respect you for... whatever... but the very expectation that they need to relinquish your calculated measure of mobs so you can get what you want is disrespectful in the process. Then you call them paranoid and greedy for not wanting to share. THEN you justify stealing mobs anyway based on server rules, which, as previously stated, still make you an asshole.

Also, if you're so thin-skinned to get your panties in a twist over what I said before, you're in the wrong area of the site. A personal attack would be telling you that you look fat when you cry. As it turns out, I've never seen you, or what you look like when you cry, so I'll just call you a baby*. There, that's a personal attack.

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But you cannot become a wanker, because you assume someone else is.

This can also apply to you.

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And to be honest, if someone had a valid concern and asked me to not touch a mob, even though they were not killing it, I would lay off most likely. All would depend on their attitude, and tact, as stated in this thread by fastboy21.

This is nice to see, at least.

*and I don't even mean it (much). Just making a point.

h0tr0d (shaere) · #10 07-24-2010, 09:46 PM

You just take what I say and skew it. It isn't a portion of their camp, if they aren't killing it..... if you kill 5 specs(using them as an example) and leave 3 up, permanently because you do not have the mana, or health, doing so for the reason you cannot kill them... you are not camping them. And anyone refusing to share a spot ( I avoid the word camp) for the simple reason they don't want to is the one being rude.

Bleh, I have tried to be as clear as I can in explaining this, but either I am explaining it poorly, or you just don't see it or want to see my point.
Wasn't trying to start a war with anyone, but it has nothing to do with being thin skinned. You take a shot, a dig, however subtle or veiled, it is still an attack. And everything is personal when you're a person.