Mass Pulling in Indoor Dungeons

[Edame]

It's not indoor, but it's a noob zone.. I've lately seen a 50+ Bard who pulled the entire zone of Field of Bone to power level other people for money. Not a single mob in the entire zone was not taken, and they don't repop until theyre killed, upon which he makes another giant pull.

[rocketstr2]

For one you cant say BB doesn't have camps...Everything else including the following that are not called out, to me, is free game. Also if a level 20 is in the zone, and a level 10, that doesn't mean the level 20 cant kill greens for fangs. If the level 10 wanted those greens he would of ran up top to get them.

Top / Entrances
Brewers / Bridge
Elite Ledge
Bottom Commander Room
Top Commander Room
Green Room

[senna]

I feel bad for anyone who is doing that 300 BB fang thing. You poor souls.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by senna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel bad for anyone who is doing that 300 BB fang thing. You poor souls.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this IS the server rule, basically.

A lot of people seem to remember how things were in 1999-2000 when groups killed more slowly and players were as/more concerned with just slaughtering trash as they were with picking off named PHs, though. These people play on p99 thinking that asking for and responding to camp checks is mandatory. They think that not responding to a CC forfeits your camp. They think that a group who can't kill all of the mobs in a camp (camp meaning CoM stables or MM castle entrance, etc) can still claim it and not allow other players to pull the mobs that they can't even get to as they spawn.

And the server rules + players who follow them get into spats with the people who remember how things were in 2000 + the PNP.


It sounds to me like the OP ran into an issue with powerleveling in a popular zone and that he should have addressed his complaint as such, but instead he tried to expand his issue to camps and pulling in general.

Unless the other servers were different, camps are pure classic. Think about it: some classes need a spot to be able to med, which used to mean, opening yer spellbook. Constantly moving around as a group was never all that feasible, and certainly not the norm. The group runs out of mana.

This was one of the good design elements of eq, I thought. You have to find those locations in a dungeon where you can take a "med break" but also where you of course have mobs to pull once everyone is gtg. Shit's pure classic.

What else was classic was some other group trying to inch up on your "camp" or try to leapfrog you to get closer to where you were pulling from. This is where the PNP always came in: that is just, not nice to do that.

We all know these things. And I agree with tecmos, this is not about camps per se, but about powerlevling toons.

Since during live I was "leveling with the server" I never really experienced this problem; who could have powerleveled? There were no high level characters at that time: we at the top of the lvl heap *were* the high level characters.

The only time this became an issue is when ae groups became popular. I used to dominate fungus grove shrooms with an ae grp, for example.

On hindsight, I think we were flirting with violating the PNP. Because really, once an ae grp would get set up, forget about being a normal group killing in that entire area.

Powerleveling and ae grps need to be, as a rule, second in importance to "normal" grps. That would be my take. I am not planning on doing ae grps on p99 for this reason, except during off hours.

cuz I'm awesomely cool.

tl;dr version: don't be a dick to people playing the normal game of grps trying to find a good camp for their appropriate level. Powerlevelers and ae'ers need to step down. PNP

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless the other servers were different, camps are pure classic. Think about it: some classes need a spot to be able to med, which used to mean, opening yer spellbook. Constantly moving around as a group was never all that feasible, and certainly not the norm. The group runs out of mana.

This was one of the good design elements of eq, I thought. You have to find those locations in a dungeon where you can take a "med break" but also where you of course have mobs to pull once everyone is gtg. Shit's pure classic.

What else was classic was some other group trying to inch up on your "camp" or try to leapfrog you to get closer to where you were pulling from. This is where the PNP always came in: that is just, not nice to do that.

We all know these things. And I agree with tecmos, this is not about camps per se, but about powerlevling toons.

Since during live I was "leveling with the server" I never really experienced this problem; who could have powerleveled? There were no high level characters at that time: we at the top of the lvl heap *were* the high level characters.

The only time this became an issue is when ae groups became popular. I used to dominate fungus grove shrooms with an ae grp, for example.

On hindsight, I think we were flirting with violating the PNP. Because really, once an ae grp would get set up, forget about being a normal group killing in that entire area.

Powerleveling and ae grps need to be, as a rule, second in importance to "normal" grps. That would be my take. I am not planning on doing ae grps on p99 for this reason, except during off hours.

cuz I'm awesomely cool.

tl;dr version: don't be a dick to people playing the normal game of grps trying to find a good camp for their appropriate level. Powerlevelers and ae'ers need to step down. PNP

One of your better posts. Yeah I gave up Pling people once the server hit say 500 people nearly a year ago. Just not fair to others taking half a zone of the good mobs for one person to twink themselves. But I can sort of see why people want to get higher fast on a alt. No real good answer I guess other than getting Velious out. Would help a lot. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Motec]

Can't wait to ae DN

[Borador]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you know what else is a server rule? players are not allowed to claim entire zones or multiple camps.

And who determines what a "camp" is... MM is a perfect example, some people seem to think the zone to graveyard is split into two camps. Its only 25ish mobs total which is easily clearable by one group. Or even just a couple high level melees. The idea that someone can say "lfg, oh you are full? Okay I'm claiming half your spawns then since its two camps" is stupid.

Camps should (and did on live for me) consist of everything you are pulling and killing within an area. Assuming you are getting to it and killing it within a reasonable amount of time.

[Weekapaug]

A great way to deal with this and related problems that are running rampant of late is for the GMs and guides to swing into action and start handing out suspensions and bans to people for zone disruption.

No need for rules changes. In fact, this is a perfect example of how the rules, as written, are neither classic nor how things were handled in later eras live. You are being asked for a camp check by these asshats so they can pin you down committed to a single spawn while they pull everything else. Sony never acknowledged camps for that reason.....Camps were purely a player-honored thing, but it worked because it was pretty much universally accepted by the players. They balanced this by making judgement calls on disruption and enforcing the actual rule, which was first to engage gets the mob. And, generally, it worked. Especially since peole who violated camps eventually got themselves sorted out.....You might get away with it a few times but eventually you would piss off the wrong person and they (or a guild) would make a project out of you...Or post on server boards and word would get out fast in you. Here, people lawyer around the non classic camps rule and, technically, by the nonclassic rule, they are in the right.

Since it comes up, the thing about not pulling through other groups even if they have set up camp in the middle of the pathing or in a doorway, etc, isn't classic either. In fact, setting up camp in places like that, also, make those players zone disruptors by the actual live classic standards. But by the stated rules here, people legitimately using the content as intended are, apparently, trainers should a group of regards decide to set up camp in the middle of a hall or doorway that other groups need to pull thru.

Well intended, I'm sure, but it's ass backwards.

[Weekapaug]

Oh, and where do these fuckheads come from and why is P99 full of them?

It's one thing to be a high level and pull most of BB for PLing or for fangs if you stick to the deeper areas. But pullling the top floor and area around the bridge while there are players of appropriate level there is just douchebaggery plain and simple. Same goes for bard aoe kiting. AoEing is perfectly legitimate play, but doing it just because you can in a crowded zone, primetime, or on a weekend, is just pure assholery, I don't care what the rules say.

It's disruption plain and simple.