Velious 2H changes

[Bohab]

"Two-Handed Weapons have been given an increased damage bonus for
characters over level 50. Also, certain post-epic quality two-handers
have been improved."

They scaled the dmg bonus. Basically they made it so you would never hit for like 20 dmg anymore with a 2h weapon that is 30/40/50dmg. They start hitting for 300+...

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because of that delay, you're getting way more hits at a higher average, and the 2h bonus hasn't yet caught up.

Edit: my bad... I was automatically figuring in a shield for bash

You just explained why a 15/20 1h would be more damage than a 30/40 2h. But the deathbringer rod has a better ratio than the noc blade, so even though the noc blade benefits from the flat damage bonus more frequently, at 43 the deathbringer rod is still going to do more dps.

Like I said. My 40 SK (just 3 levels below the OP and the same class) does a fair amount more damage with the 29/36 GFG than with the 19/24 ebon mace... and those two even have a closer ratio to each other than noc blade and DB do.



OP: just go get gameparse, turn on logging in your ini file, then xp on 50 mobs with noc blade and then on 50 mobs with deathbringer, and you'll see firsthand which one does more damage. It really isn't a big difference, but you definitely aren't doing more damage with the noc blade.

[Stinkum]

Would like to see parses of the claim that a GFG at 29/36 does "a fair amount more" than a 19/24 ebon mace.

I would guess that GFG is probably is even with it or extremely trivially better.

[Wotsirb401]

I sold all of my 2h's on my monk because the dps/plat was soo not worth it. When you get double hits or even single htis for 60 with a 2h while you are filling the screen with 40-70 hits with your 1hs it's not even a contest right now. The same applies on my warrior

[Yaolin]

A lot of people seem to not do any parsing at all so I have no idea how you can have a solid opinion on DPS. Some 2H weapons have a good deal more DMG Bonus than 1H that cap out at 11. The Damage bonus on a T-Staff is about 20 and the dmg bonus on an Oggok Cleaver is somewhere between 25-30 I believe. A GFG should do about 7.5% more DPS than Ebon Mace at LvL 60. A 30/40 2H will do the same DPS as an Ebon Mace at LvL 60. Hybrids want the biggest delay possible so that they can cast spells between swings. A LvL 60 SK with 100% haste would have to cast spells in 1.2 seconds in order to be using an Ebon Mace to its full affect, using an Oggok Cleaver they have 3 seconds and that's a huge difference.

[webrunner5]

There is no way in hell 1 handers out damage good 2 handers on P1999! Ain't going to happen. Not past level 20.

[Zeonick]

I was just doing some parsing with my monk buddy last night. He has a jade mace, and is saving up for his knuckle dusters at the moment. For his 2h he uses a Wus quivering staff at 23/28 I believe.

He kept switching to just his jade mace and open fist for fun, and we were amazed that it seemed to be doing as much dps as the wus. So I opened up gamparse to get some data to look at. I couldnt figure out how to get gamparse to keep all our fights and give a dps over all, but it seemed like the 2hb was just barely out damaging a jade mace and open fist.

So my guess would be when he gets his KD and rocks the jm/kd combo it will do significantly more damage. Is this because misses can bring down your dps more with a 2hander because of a longer delay? Do 2hers generally miss less to compensate?

[Wotsirb401]

That is what I notice, either when I miss or hit for the extreme low end . I wont be using my 2h's until i am consistenly hitting over 150 every time , slashing for 60 with a 36 damage weapon is stupid, specially when my 14 damage weapons hit for 70-90 all the time !

[Stinkum]

Anyone have any parses or ancedotal evidence for the level 20-50 range for:

Shadow Knight with Ebon Mace vs. Shadow Knight with Deathbringer's Rod

or

Paladin with Rod of Faith vs. Paladin with Baton of Faith

[Lune]

As a shadowknight I was extremely fucking disappointed with all my damage, no matter what weapon I was using. Ebon mace/rod of mourning