[Necro] Iksar Regeneration Advantage Put to Task

[crkhobbit]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksar is a great race for necromancer, one of the best.

However, it's not going to make or break you. Considering you can max int easier on other races and then stack hp/sta gear in place of int/+mana gear. Meaning you can have a higher HP and Mana pool.

This is all I'm going for. The Necromancer wiki page is fairly overbearing about Iksar being pants-dropping amazing. Especially with the giant, in-your-face charts that only tell one side of the story.

I don't want people to feel like they have to be pigeon-holed into playing a race they don't want to.

And I'd like for the people that think non-Iksars should re-roll to be better informed.

The math just supports the idea that the Iksar is only marginally better, even negligibly so or not at all in many circumstances, at the cost of a tremendous racial xp penalty and being KOS nearly everywhere.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by crkhobbit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is all I'm going for. The Necromancer wiki page is fairly overbearing about Iksar being pants-dropping amazing. Especially with the giant, in-your-face charts that only tell one side of the story.

I don't want people to feel like they have to be pigeon-holed into playing a race they don't want to.

And I'd like for the people that think non-Iksars should re-roll to be better informed.

The math just supports the idea that the Iksar is only marginally better, even negligibly so or not at all in many circumstances, at the cost of a tremendous racial xp penalty and being KOS nearly everywhere.

If you have a problem with the wiki page's wording (just read through it; doesn't seem THAT bad), just add a line like "many prefer other races to Iksar to avoid the large EXP penalty and the faction problems".

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by crkhobbit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tremendous racial xp penalty

So much for not wanting anything to sound one-sided, eh? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[crkhobbit]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much for not wanting anything to sound one-sided, eh? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it hypocritical if I admit to being hypocritical? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Freakish]

All this talk about health and regen, you're all a bunch of hypochondriacs.

Play iksar or don't. You can be lazier if you're an iksar, and i'm a lazy guy.

[Splorf22]

Iksars are just the best, especially when well geared. If you check Butchh's magelo profile it pretty much crushes the idea that Erudites are going to have extra mana, and he doesn't even have a BCG, not to mention wearing the EoE like a boss.

That doesn't mean you can't be effective as a non-iksar, but they are simply the minmax choice and if you don't like that, reroll. I have an iksar warrior, and he is just 5-10% worse than a comparably geared Ogre - something like 50 item AC and 250 hp. There is no getting around it.

[crkhobbit]

I'm fine with Iksars being the best minmax choice. There is always a minmax choice.

I'm not fine with people saying that Demi Lich is unusable by non-Iksar, or that any other race should reroll. And that's what I'm arguing against here.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by crkhobbit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm fine with Iksars being the best minmax choice. There is always a minmax choice.

I'm not fine with people saying that Demi Lich is unusable by non-Iksar, or that any other race should reroll. And that's what I'm arguing against here.

Is anyone saying either of those things?

[Splorf22]

How about you stop worrying so much about what other people think? Your posts on this thread make me think you are a candidate for the office of thoughtcrime suppression.

[crkhobbit]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is anyone saying either of those things?

In this thread, no. But in game, yes. I have been harassed to reroll. And by that I mean that I received tells from a person for over a half hour about how I'm playing the wrong race that I will regret for the rest of my time playing that character.

Originally Posted by Splorf22

How about you stop worrying so much about what other people think? Your posts on this thread make me think you are a candidate for the office of thoughtcrime suppression.

Quite the opposite, depending on how you mean it. I'm going to play what I want regardless of what others think. But I'm also going to understand the implications of the choice that I made, and I'm going to share my findings with others so that they can make informed decisions.

The reason for creating this thread is to give information to those who may seek it on the true differences between the races. "Iksars are best because of the regen" is a mantra that seems to be repeated as fact. It is important to understand how much advantage the Iksar has.

Why are you offended that I'm interesting in fully understanding my class? I don't get it - you seem to be a guy that's interested in collecting data to better understand mechanics.