Nerf Bard AE Kiting

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if PvP was turned on and I got rooted and killed 10 times, the reward is still so disproportionately awesome for any 1 successful AE kite that ganking me repeatedly wouldn't even be a speedbump in my overall XP. I think you know this and are being intentionally dishonest because AE kiting benefits yourself.

Also, Syft is making the argument that this isn't a fair way of leveling entire groups of people, not just a solo bard. You're severely underestimating how much someone can block you from xping this way on a pvp server.

Take 20 minutes to gather a pull in one of the karanas just to get pelled / snared / rooted or otherwise ganked without getting the xp. Then spend another 10-20 running back naked from HHK / Qeynos / wherever and risk being corpse camped or killed again in pvp. On top of the normal risks you run from PVE.

Breaking bard AE kiting will not stop the devoted from powergaming to level 50 within a week of server coming up.

[Stinkum]

I personally think they should keep AE kiting since it's classic (as you pointed out), but cap the maximum level on server release on a set timeline. You could stagger it to be something like maximum level 20 for the first 2 weeks, etc.

This helps keep the game more on grouping and PvPing and less of the ratrace to max level by whatever shady means necessary.

[Syft]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, Syft is making the argument that this isn't a fair way of leveling entire groups of people, not just a solo bard. You're severely underestimating how much someone can block you from xping this way on a pvp server.

Take 20 minutes to gather a pull in one of the karanas just to get pelled / snared / rooted or otherwise ganked without getting the xp. Then spend another 10-20 running back naked from HHK / Qeynos / wherever and risk being corpse camped or killed again in pvp. On top of the normal risks you run from PVE.

Breaking bard AE kiting will not stop the devoted from powergaming to level 50 within a week of server coming up.

Bind yourself right outside OT Fort, ding 30-52 in a day, yea sounds legit. Sorry but Swarm kiting is really good enough for a bard to solo to 60 faster than any other class in game.

When this became prevalent on Live they nerfed it, of course 15 years later everybody knows exactly how to do it and most toons on this server hit 60 because of it. On live 80% of the toons weren't bard lvl'd to 60.

Some classic idea's need to be abandoned when they threaten the integrity of the box.

Fast track lvling allows neckbeards to put a strangle hold on a server, not just by outlvling everyone off the jump but by lvling tons of alt's as well.

This impacts the economy as well as Tune's Alt#503 gets gear over someone's main.

[Bardalicious]

If you don't want people taking advantage of 13 year old knowledge then you shouldn't be playing a 13 year old video game, sorry pal.

You still fail to acknowledge the fact that Kunark won't even be available upon release of the new server which severely reduces the effectiveness and viability of AE kiting. You still fail to acknowledge the fact that the people determined to level fast will do so regardless of bard AE kiting. Your problem isn't with bards specifically. It's with people leveling faster than you're comfortable with. And unless they went fully custom and introduced time-based level caps like Stinkum suggested, the shit just isn't going to matter.

You see such a huge impact on Red99 because of two reasons:

1) Overthere and Burning Woods npc density makes for absurd number of xp hits per pull.
2) Server is a fucking ghost town and nobody goes to those zones to do normal xp for the most part anyways, thus zero competition or risk of pvp most days.

Good luck with both of those on a new, pre-expansion pvp box where everyone will be trying to level in the very few zones that you can make AE kiting worthwhile in.

But again, moot point. You think they'll nerf wizard PBAE's and enchanter color stuns to only hit 4 targets at a time as well? I sure don't.

[Syft]

Here's a great explanation of how Bard AE kiting is used now and why it was not something used in classic!

Originally Posted by Giovanni [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEhb...=youtube_gdata

Description: Essentially, the low hp aggro mechanics on the server allow you to lock mob aggro onto a player character.

While aggro is locked, a second character can kill the train of 200+ mobs via pbaoes (bard/wizard/etc).

The low hitpoint kiter can be on the other side of the zone during this process. Therefore, there is no risk of death similar to traditional bard pbaoe kiting. Two character can kill a train of 200 mobs doing 100,000 damage per aoe cast. Used in Skyfire at level 60, one can get 20% of a level per pull.

Note that on live even traditional bard pbaoe kiting (non-low hp) was not used significantly until planes of power by Worry from Sullon Zek. Until that point in time bards were still using charm burning or swarm kiting (charm mob and send into a pack of enemy mobs) for leveling.

The reason that I am posting this here is that I do not want to lvl 50's on the first day of the new sz99 server.

Below are some logs for an average pull doing 80,190 damage for 285 mana.

[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ember hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ember hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant arbor was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant arbor is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ember hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ember hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] an ash hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] An ash hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant verdant was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant verdant is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak enthusiast was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak enthusiast is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a scoriae hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A scoriae hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a cinder hornet was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A cinder hornet is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak knight was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak knight is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] plague bone skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Plague bone skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] plague bone skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Plague bone skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] plague bone skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Plague bone skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a forest giant ancient was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A forest giant ancient is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tottering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tottering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback ape was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback ape is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Your target resisted the Jyll's Static Pulse spell.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak enthusiast was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak enthusiast is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater barbed skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater barbed skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak zealot was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak zealot is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a moldering gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A moldering gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak enthusiast was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak enthusiast is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak extremist was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak extremist is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak champion was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak champion is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater plague skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater plague skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a sarnak avenger was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A sarnak avenger is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] greater war boned skeleton was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] Greater war boned skeleton is slammed by a static pulse.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] a tatterback gorilla was hit by non-melee for 495 points of damage.
[Sun Jan 06 12:00:18 2013] A tatterback gorilla is slammed by a static pulse.

Now I'm not opposed to them nerfing the argo but that would be tricky and take a lot of code changes that affected many aspects of pvp and pve, while making it 4 target only would be much easier and was what sony did after they saw just a few months of this on live.

[Aenor]

This is the staff's chance to get stuff like this, clickie recharging, etc, right. Red99 was beta. Pls fix the known bugs before release. Thank you staff for your time and efforts.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a great explanation of how Bard AE kiting is used now and why it was not something used in classic!

Again, if your argument is that LOW HP AGGRO KITING should be nerfed, I agree. But that's entirely separate from bard PBAE kiting, something that I did on live through all of Velious.

If you have some evidence to suggest that it was nerfed and stayed nerfed on live (lol doesn't exist) during this era, please make a valid bug report.

[Syft]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, if your argument is that LOW HP AGGRO KITING should be nerfed, I agree. But that's entirely separate from bard PBAE kiting, something that I did on live through all of Velious.

If you have some evidence to suggest that it was nerfed and stayed nerfed on live (lol doesn't exist) during this era, please make a valid bug report.

I'd rather have both nerfed than bog the staff down trying to figure out how to fix argo issues. When they already have so much to do.

Sorry but making a few bards lvl slower is a fair trade off to having lvl 60's on the first week of new server launch.

As a guy who plays a Wiz and Bard I have nothing to gain from this whatsoever, and am literally posting it because it could destroy the new box before it ever gains a pop sorry but that's the truth.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but making a few bards lvl slower is a fair trade off to having lvl 60's on the first week of new server launch.

You're a moran and clearly not worth arguing with.

Good luck with the crusade though. One of these threads had been popping up every week or 2 for years. Guess we've seen how it turned out so far yeah?

[Syft]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a moran and clearly not worth arguing with.

Good luck with the crusade though. One of these threads had been popping up every week or 2 for years. Guess we've seen how it turned out so far yeah?

As a bard and Wizard arguing for it's removal I think my opinion is much more valid than a bard arguing to keep it so he can abuse a mechanic that was never even used in classic.

But keep on being angry