kill multiquesting

[ncapatina]

Originally Posted by cukazi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I need to wait to camp something I will because that is part of the game.

Well said. And if you don't feel like waiting in line then go camp something else and sell that item. Then buy the MQ.

[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by ncapatina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well said. And if you don't feel like waiting in line then go camp something else and sell that item. Then buy the MQ.

You miss the damage that MQ does entirely. It has nothing and everything to do with the economy.

You can't complete the camp, ever. Why? because someone who has no use for the item is camping it to sell for cash. It distorts the game and turns it into an economic simulator.

The game shouldn't be about how many hill giants you can slaughter to buy a FBSS. It should be about going to the deepest dungeon and slaying a foul foe and being rewarded.

I ran through South Ro a few days ago to see a bard camping the AC.

Let me say that again:

A bard camping the AC.

If that doesn't bother you, then you're playing the wrong game.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You miss the damage that MQ does entirely. It has nothing and everything to do with the economy.

You can't complete the camp, ever. Why? because someone who has no use for the item is camping it to sell for cash. It distorts the game and turns it into an economic simulator.

The game shouldn't be about how many hill giants you can slaughter to buy a FBSS. It should be about going to the deepest dungeon and slaying a foul foe and being rewarded.

I ran through South Ro a few days ago to see a bard camping the AC.

Let me say that again:

A bard camping the AC.

If that doesn't bother you, then you're playing the wrong game.

First, even bards need instant clickies.

Secondly, what makes EQ great is that you can play how you want. All this BS about play how you want in modern and next gen MMOs...total nonsense. EQ had real freedom when it came to how you interacted with the world and community.

If you have a problem with someone camping the AC because you don't think they should then you are probably playing the wrong game.

[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First, even bards need instant clickies.

Secondly, what makes EQ great is that you can play how you want. All this BS about play how you want in modern and next gen MMOs...total nonsense. EQ had real freedom when it came to how you interacted with the world and community.

If you have a problem with someone camping the AC because you don't think they should then you are probably playing the wrong game.

Nice rationalizing, all of you. And you all know it's so much BS. He's there to sell the MQ and we all know it, along with the shaman with three corpses on the hill storing rings. You can't rationalize the greed that permeates this server. Everyone sees it every time they log in.

A group of a dozen of us stuck with a ranger in Frenzy earlier this week. The poor guy was there for nearly 48 hours (and never did get a sash). Why did we do this for someone we had never met? We all knew that the minute the camp was free it may be a month or more before anyone but a level 60 item camper could play there again. (one showed up every hour or so, one even commented on how 'old school' it was to see an actual group camping the frenzy.)

It harms the server, and it especially harms newcomers to P99. We started a guild with 10 or so new players almost three months ago, only three of us are left. All the rest left for this very reason. Anything of value is camped to a monopoly by bored, high-level players. Prices on what is sold on the market are not reflective of what a new player can possibly pay, it's what another high-level player will pay for their twinks. I recall buying a FBSS on live for less than 2k. It's six to eight times that amount here.

People will actively give you advice on how to deal with this. My favorite was: "You need to level up a druid first. Do ports and kite giants for money to outfit your real character." Really? I somehow missed that in my classic experience.

This server is effectively dead to most new players. The only way to equip a character is in EC, the only way to obtain the plat to buy it is to sell in EC.

Try leveling up a new warrior with LFG on. You aren't invited to groups, you get tells asking what weapons you have and how well you are twinked (yes both have happened to my 22 warrior). Then they decide if they want to ask you to a group (no both times). Can you imagine that happening on live EQ in 1999?

I'd like a pair of Efreeti Boots for my 46 enchanter. Do you think there is a chance in hell I can get an appropriate group together and actually fight for them? Nope, by your method of playing I should just kill 867 Hill Giants and buy them from a level 60. Not classic. Not as intended. Not fun.

I'll go out on a limb here without actually checking in game first. By my recollection my level 46 character is using exactly ONE item that was obtained directly from a mob (a braided cinch cord if you must ask). Everything else had to be purchased.

What was intended as a PvE adventure game has been turned into a PvP economic simulator.

[Thulack]

Why don't we add in the trivial loot code too while we at it? Come velious how many people that actually need SCHW are gonna be the one camping it? I bet none. Your argument that greedy people MQ can also be said about any money camp in the game.

[Reapin]

Killing stuff to collect bronze to sell for your spells is far different than killing EPIC quest mobs for their loot for multiquesting.

Somehow the Epic weapon seems a little less so when you see a level 5 with one. I don't know if it is possible, but I have heard of certain players who have many corpses, each with an AC ring so they have a constant supply of rings for multi-questing. Its stupid. I remember on classic when I was level 40 and EARNED my jboots by killing the AC myself. It was a great battle and one of my favorite EQ memories. On this server, such an experience is robbed from people because so and so has a spawn down so well they could one shot kill it and auction it away. None of you see what MQing takes away from the game? Sure you do, but seeing your plat total go up is all you care about.

The farmers are not the only ones to blame here, it is also the people willing to pay instead of play. People need to be encouraged to experience EQ and not take shortcuts. That's why we play right? Because we love the game. Well try playing it. There is nothing more classic than that.

[ncapatina]

Originally Posted by Reapin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The farmers are not the only ones to blame here, it is also the people willing to pay instead of play. People need to be encouraged to experience EQ and not take shortcuts. That's why we play right? Because we love the game. Well try playing it. There is nothing more classic than that.

So you're arguing your point of removing something by stating how popular it is with the general population?

Just because you had a certain experience doesn't mean other people shared it with you. Maybe someone camped the AC for days and hated every excruciating second of it and would have loved for someone to offer them a MQ for plat they had no other use for aside from twinking out an alt. Then they could have gone back to doing what they wanted to do, and "played the game" the way they felt it provided the most enjoyment.

You're acting like we're having a debate of two choices:
1) Buy all your gear via MQ
2) Eliminate MQing completely

In reality, the debate is this:
1) Give people the option to MQ if that is what the want to do
2) Eliminate the ability for someone to choose

What about the people who can't get a group together to take down an epic mob? By your logic everyone should have a fair shot at an epic, so why not make it a random world drop or off a soloable mob? By eliminating MQing you're actually reducing the amount of people who will have access to an epic weapon, not increasing it.

Honestly, if you were arguing that epics are too easily obtained because of MQing, or that you don't have to be a heavily invested end game raider type (which the weapons were really there for on live) to get one, and THAT is why MQing should be eliminated then I would still disagree but I'd probably see your angle a little better.

But you're not, you are arguing that people can farm quest pieces for alts and to sell so other people can't get at that content as often as they'd like.

One thing we completely agree on, seeing a level 5 with an epic sucks. I wouldn't mind one of those dudes tanking for me though.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Reapin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The farmers are not the only ones to blame here, it is also the people willing to pay instead of play.

Making platinum IS playing the game. So is putting in the (perhaps ridiculous) amount of effort required to get a drop/epic/whatever directly. It sounds like you aren't willing to do either of those things though. It sounds like you're part of Generation Entitlement. It sounds like you want what you want even if it isn't what the staff wants (even though it's their fucking server) or many other people want (who gives a fuck about them right? the greedy fucks, only caring about they wan... oh wait).

[Langrisser]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Making platinum IS playing the game. So is putting in the (perhaps ridiculous) amount of effort required to get a drop/epic/whatever directly. It sounds like you aren't willing to do either of those things though. It sounds like you're part of Generation Entitlement. It sounds like you want what you want even if it isn't what the staff wants (even though it's their fucking server) or many other people want (who gives a fuck about them right? the greedy fucks, only caring about they wan... oh wait).

if you are willing to spend that amount of time to make plats, you could do the quest.

if you cant, then qq more. sounds vlassic to me.. only difference is p99 catches the RMT.

Big ups to the staff for doing it better then live!

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Langrisser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sounds vlassic to me

Totally want a pickle now.