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Old 07-25-2013, 02:16 PM
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Therefore rated A by Malice_mizer and other self-respecting Americans.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:20 PM
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Bill-of-Rights-hating Americans (oxymoran?)
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:27 PM
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Constitutional amendments have been repealed in the past. Laws change. Societies change. Static states decay and die horrible deaths of tenacious, self-righteous importance.

I don't think many people were frothing over the 18th amendment when it was proven to be a miserable failure to the safety and security of the United States and was eventually repealed.

Societal norms are important, as is historical context. Thomas Jefferson thought the Constitution should be rewritten in its entirety every generation because of this.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:28 PM
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throughout history, from ancient Rome to the Confederate south, only slaves have been disarmed
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:33 PM
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We live in a radically different time and place.

What are you clinging to, exactly? Do you think if the US government becomes some tyrannical authoritarian regime, that you and your little gun could do anything at all?

If the US military doesn't overthrow the US government at that point, then all is lost for us. If the US military comes after you, no matter how many fancy guns and ammo you have, you are as good as dead.

You: a few guns and some ammo.
US Government: drones, tanks, jets, ships, 2 million trained soldiers, special operations forces, and everything else that has no place in the hands of civilians.

That is how it's different from Rome or the CSA. Technology is so radically different, that the 2nd amendment is completely and entirely obsolete.

You and your stupid "Minute Men" couldn't last a single day if you stated that your explicit goal was to overthrow the US government. You are not American Revolution Patriots trying to overthrow the King in 1776. Not even close.

If the day comes when a soldier comes knocking on your door and your first reaction is to try and shoot them dead, then I'd say the problems of the world transcend anything like, "Well I wish we had our guns!"

It's just a naive attitude to take, that you could stand up to a modern government like the US and its military with your handgun. Give me a fucking break already.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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throughout history, from ancient Rome to the Confederate south, only slaves have been disarmed
Also: this is objectively false.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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If you think you and your muskets can beat the king's ships and cannons and armies, you are insane!

Hint: we're losing to plebs nowhere near as armed from afghanisandland, and the majority of the US military is pro gun.

Besides the point anyways. It's more defense so our moms, sisters, wives, and girlfriends won't be helplessly raped. So we can be secure in our property and selves. There's a reason the good guys carry guns. If we didn't need them, we wouldn't need locks on our doors either.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:41 PM
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Also: this is objectively false.
Absolutely true. Refute with an example and you'll showcase an oppressed people
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:44 PM
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guns are necessary for the very fundamental right of protecting your life and loved ones

government has no right to deny or abridge your right to reasonable self defense
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:55 PM
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Largely depends on how you subjectively define "oppression." To you, those happy suckers living in Scandinavia are probably oppressed, so...

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