Mithril 2h sword vs Baton of faith

[Bantam 1]

Originally Posted by kunark_lizzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

haven't looked at haste in a looong time but, i remember item haste affecting damage per hit, not swing delay (swing delay was from spell haste). am i way off with this?

Bit off yeah.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Sazzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is some confusion on how haste works. Even without a haste item the Baton is much much better.

For the Mith 2hander 100% haste would give half delay (20), not 0 delay,
50% haste would give a delay of 30.

31% haste gives a delay of 33.8

A 30/40 weapon will outdamage a 21/33.8 weapon significantly at all levels after lvl 19.

What?
100% haste on a 40 delay weapon makes it a 20 delay weapon.
50% haste on a 40 delay weapon makes it a ~27 (26.667) delay weapon.
31% haste on a 40 delay weapon makes it a ~31 (30.534) delay weapon

The fuck did you come up with those numbers?

Originally Posted by kunark_lizzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

haven't looked at haste in a looong time but, i remember item haste affecting damage per hit, not swing delay (swing delay was from spell haste). am i way off with this?

You can argue that haste has no direct effect on delay but increases your number of swings (and as a result lowers your delay accordingly).

[slow2]

Sooo....

They are both 40 delay. Thats an attack every 4 seconds.

BoF = 15 apm
MM = 15 + (15x31%) = 19.65 apm

i believe the formula for damage was something like: 2x weapon dmg + delay bonus.

So baton is 60 + 3(at level 30), whereas MM would be 42+3.

63 x 15 = 945
45 x 19.65 = 884.25

So baton does roughly 60 damage a minute more than MM. IS this correct?

[Colgate]

delay / (1 + haste)

haste is a percentage, so for example mith 2hander is 31% haste with 40 delay, it would be

40 / (1 + 0.31) = 30.534

21/31 = 0.677
30/40 = 0.75

i don't see any situation in which the baton of faith isn't the superior choice

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't see any situation in which the baton of faith isn't the superior choice

I am quite confident that the scumsuckers* selling M2H for more than double the price of BoF feel that falling for their scam is actually the better choice, regardless the fact that the BoF is a far superior weapon.


(*) If NPCs can call me a scumsucker in-game, then I'm quite comfortable calling these people scumsuckers in-forum. Sorry if that ruffles your panties.

[Sazzabi]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

delay / (1 + haste)

haste is a percentage, so for example mith 2hander is 31% haste with 40 delay, it would be

40 / (1 + 0.31) = 30.534

21/31 = 0.677
30/40 = 0.75

i don't see any situation in which the baton of faith isn't the superior choice

It is because of the damage bonus being applied more that the Mith is better (about 5% more dps at 60), but it only becomes better after around level 52. Before that the Baton is better.

[Colgate]

by the time you're level 52 you should have acquired at least some sort of haste item which would make baton of faith MUCH better

only rationale i can see for mith 2 hander costing more is for rogue epic