A Bard's Tale

[Barkingturtle]

OP is the kind of bard who gives all bards a bad name, imo.

[Gadwen]

I have an idea, if you want to kite...be reasonable, stay in a corner of the zone where people aren't exping.

Being a greedy douche tends to get negative reactions, whether or not you intended to KS someone or snipe their mobs means nothing. You still stole the mob, people are going to get pissed.

[Rezonation]

Thanks for addressing this, Rojas. I understand your point of view. It's still disheartening when you and a friend are trying to XP in a place like Aviaks in South Karana and there are another 20ish people in zone. Then the next thing you see is a Bard running around with 6 or 7 Aviaks chasing him.

Unfortunately, one cannot give every Bard the benefit of the doubt. Some really just don't care if others are trying to XP in the same area.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have nothing against bards (except that I really don't think it's a very useful class in groups) but all I ever see most of the bards here do is complain about how much they get picked on...

Wait... what? Bards shine in groups. That's a core part of their design. Either you or the Bards you've played with are doing it wrong.

Re. the kiting thing, some players are self-entitled douchebags too and jump at the chance to be angry and nasty at anyone. It isn't always related to justice, it's just general surliness. However on the specific instance of OT, I can understand people getting annoyed. The PLing going on there is ridiculous. I spent a lot of time AoE kiting in LOIO and if there was a group I kept away from their area. Heck, often I joined them. It's simple courtesy. I haven't had one nagative /ooc comment yet.

Pulling half the zone to low HP kite or PL some lazy alt (why the fudge are you playing classic EQ if you want to be PLed) is obnoxious IMO and is a broken mechanic and by definition an exploit, and I won't do it. Having said that, honestly, players upset by it need to stay away from OT. It's not going to change.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait... what? Bards shine in groups. That's a core part of their design. Either you or the Bards you've played with are doing it wrong.

Re. the kiting thing, some players are self-entitled douchebags too and jump at the chance to be angry and nasty at anyone. It isn't always related to justice, it's just general surliness. However on the specific instance of OT, I can understand people getting annoyed. The PLing going on there is ridiculous. I spent a lot of time AoE kiting in LOIO and if there was a group I kept away from their area. Heck, often I joined them. It's simple courtesy. I haven't had one nagative /ooc comment yet.

Pulling half the zone to low HP kite or PL some lazy alt (why the fudge are you playing classic EQ if you want to be PLed) is obnoxious IMO and is a broken mechanic and by definition an exploit, and I won't do it. Having said that, honestly, players upset by it need to stay away from OT. It's not going to change.

Unfortunately this concept eludes a lot of players.

[Flamewraith]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait... what? Bards shine in groups. That's a core part of their design. Either you or the Bards you've played with are doing it wrong.

Re. the kiting thing, some players are self-entitled douchebags too and jump at the chance to be angry and nasty at anyone. It isn't always related to justice, it's just general surliness. However on the specific instance of OT, I can understand people getting annoyed. The PLing going on there is ridiculous. I spent a lot of time AoE kiting in LOIO and if there was a group I kept away from their area. Heck, often I joined them. It's simple courtesy. I haven't had one nagative /ooc comment yet.

Pulling half the zone to low HP kite or PL some lazy alt is obnoxious IMO and is a broken mechanic and by definition an exploit, and I won't do it. Having said that, honestly, players need to stay away from OT. It's not going to change.

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

Don't want to derail this thread, but people did the numbers years ago (many more times than once) and apart from things they bring to the table that can't be easily quantified, just pure DPS increase from having a Bard in your group is almost on a par with a Rogue. That doesn't take into account the utility they bring which has the result of speeding up XP generally, and making a group more solid, and flexible.

Mind you, this wasn't in classic which doesn't have the stacking line of Bard overhaste songs, and I think took into account the Bard epic. Even so, a well played Bard holds their own in a group - so much so SOE started nerfing them later on. It's a busy class to play well though, I'm not gonna lie.

P.S. I can't really comment on the "half-assed" statement because apart from missing the point I think because it all stacks anyway, I do fine as main CC, mana battery, and regen-er, along with haster and slow/snarer when there's no Shaman (and even when there is to cover resists), so don't know what else to say.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

Two things that no class can surpass bard on. One, bards are 100% necessary on raids for resists because their resist buffs are off the charts high. Two, they are also the fastest class to travel across zones in the game; therefore, they are needed to pull outdoor raid targets (dragons).

I would argue that bards in an exp group can actually pull better than monks in some dungeons, assuming that the bard is skilled.

[zanderklocke]

Oh, I forgot to add. Bards are the best at power leveling in Overthere. BAHAHAHAHA

[Yibz]

Bards are just the worst