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Old 06-13-2013, 01:40 PM
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You sure? I was under the impression that FT did increase bard mana regen.
Same here. It was FT increases mana regen, but Bards don't benefit from Chanter clarity line.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:41 PM
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FT is the only way bards can regen mana faster.

mana regen becomes very important when bards get fading memories.

here, I suppose it will help you charm faster after you die.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:44 PM
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FT is the only way bards can regen mana faster.

mana regen becomes very important when bards get fading memories.

here, I suppose it will help you charm faster after you die.

Bards never benefited from any mana regen that I remember (I only ever played a Bard). The only thing you could do was sit down. FM is an AA i.e. p99 will never see it, thankfully.

P.S. For reasons in the link in falkun's post below, FT was an abomination of bad design anyway. So much that happened in Luclin and beyond broke the game, and this was just one of those things. FT undermined two classes' defining abilities (Bards and Enchanters). Sony really had no clue.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:47 PM
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You sure? I was under the impression that FT did increase bard mana regen.
Not according to Thott:
http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/retune.php
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:51 PM
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I played a bard from classic to pop. If it was patched in @ some point that may be the case. I just remember swapping in FT items after death in VT to regen my mana faster.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:52 PM
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This was a great site back in the day.

http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/forum...5#.UboGxJ3YCM8
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:11 PM
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This was a great site back in the day.

http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/forum...5#.UboGxJ3YCM8
Yup...and they even discuss Thott's "Bard Retune" post and specifically FT not functioning for bards:

http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/reply...ne#reply-25822
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I'm glad Thott mentioned the FT issue. Personally, I've been thinking since Luclin that we should get the effect of FT, but for a different reason than what he listed:

As it stands now, all casters have 3 sources of increased mana regen: Clarity Spells, FT/other mana regen items, and AA skills. (Technically, if they would add +Meditate% items available at lower levels, then they would have 4.) Bards, on the other hand, get one and only one source: AA skills, which can only be acquired by getting exp. Every other caster can get better mana regen as a result of grouping with other classes or as a result of raiding - bards are stuck with killing stuff ad nauseum, period.

Now, I can see why not allowing bards clarity spells is the current state of affairs - letting bards get the clarity effect from our songs alone would be the equivalent of instantly increasing our mana regen by 20,000%. However, given the limited number of FT items actually usable by bards, I feel that bards should be allowed to get the benefit from FT.

Actually, considering the number of items that should be useable by bards but aren't, seemingly because they have FT on them (like Narandi's Crown), I'm not sure if VI's developers even know that FT doesn't affect bards.

Speaking of bard equippability, why no comment on our eternal bugaboo of the chain/plate distinction and VI getting around to fixing the AC of items/making items bard equippable? Is it simply because making them go through their database would be too much work for them to consider it, or is it more that your complaints are centered around endgame concerns and VI's current all chain+ classes/ all plate classes equipment creation negates the problem in most cases?

And Thott, I have to say that this post is written with a rather fatalistic air (well, perhaps exasperation might be more accurate.) I take it the Bard Balancing Dev is no longer working for them and VI won't give you the time of day?
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I played a bard from classic to pop. If it was patched in @ some point that may be the case. I just remember swapping in FT items after death in VT to regen my mana faster.
It was patched in by Dec 8, 2002, because that's when the Bard Flowing Thought list was generated: http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/topic...g-Thought-List
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:14 PM
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. FT undermined two classes' defining abilities (Bards and Enchanters).
Funny, that's how I define bards and enchanters and they always get offended.
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:19 PM
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Funny, that's how I define bards and enchanters and they always get offended.
Some of us were mana batteries, and proud. What else did we bring to the endgame except resists?
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