Wow player looking for more of a challenge

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Cippofra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Around here, popular opinion is all of WoW is easy. Leveling quickly vs slowly = challenging apparently. All of these people who complain about how easy WoW is must be breezing through heroic raids without a thought.

EQ is extremely challenging though. That 1,498th crocodile I killed was a real work out. Very tough I tell you. Most of the others were easy.

Leveling in wow was 'easy' by comparison to EQ. You could do it easily solo as any character. Raids in Warcraft were more difficult due to the fact that 1 single mistake and it was over. EQ raids were easier because you could 'recover' in some cases. EQ is 'do damage, debuff, heal, control aggro and win'. Warcraft is 'Do damage, not as many debuffs, heal a whole lot more, dodge, parry, thrust, ho, ha, guard, win'.

I hit max level on release in just over 2 weeks in Warcraft. I spent 2 weeks in level 59 in EQ.

If time is your factor, Wow is way easier than EQ.

[Samoht]

wow raiding is just a glorified ddr/guitar hero on repeat until you score perfect. that requires zero actual class skill and is not mmo-caliber gaming if you ask me.

eq actually requires knowledge of what you're playing besides "don't stand in the fire"

most of the raids in wow, though, had an attendance limiting factor (dungeon cap size on instances). since eq does not have this limitation, the encounters are often trivialized by the sheer amount of people participating in the raid, but that in no way means it's easier since you had to mobilize the appropriate force of leveled/geared players and actually fight your way to the depths of a dungeon instead of zoning in to immediately face the first boss like in wow raids.

i had tribute to insanity and server first heroic LK in wotlk as an on-again/off-again semi-casual, come at me bro

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i had tribute to insanity and server first heroic LK in wotlk as an on-again/off-again semi-casual, come at me bro

No you didn't. No casual guild had sever-first anything, even if they somehow cleared the content. Sorry to call you out directly, but I raided seriously through BC/WotLK in a server-first guild, and casuals are nowhere near the same level. That one facet is exactly like EQ.

Also, as for WoW being "easymode", Faction Champs from 10-man normal ToC is harder than any content in Classic EQ, and Heroic Putricide 25 is harder than any content ever released for Everquest. Those two fights are from arguably the "easiest" WoW expansion to date. Firefighter makes them both look like cakewalks, assuming proper gear level, but it's from the best raid content ever produced in any game (IMO), so I thought that would be an unfair comparison. Should I bring up the nightmare that was M'uru?

Basically, the "difficulty pyramid" is inverted for WoW. Leveling/group content is a joke and top-end raiding is hard in WoW. In EQ, leveling/grouping is the hard part, and top-end raiding is a matter of showing up at the right place at the right time and getting FTE.

Both games are awesome in very different ways.

Originally Posted by Asap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dark elf, agnostic

One of my favorite thing about EverQuest is that you can be agnostic in a world in which you literally get to meet/kill the gods themselves. Always cracked me up.

Edit: OP, if you're interested in some of the really cool, really hard stuff in EQ, check out the Solo Challenge Thread! The guys in there are really good players, and there are some terrific encounter write-ups.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you didn't. No casual guild had sever-first anything, even if they somehow cleared the content. Sorry to call you out directly, but I raided seriously through BC/WotLK in a server-first guild, and casuals are nowhere near the same level. That one facet is exactly like EQ.

i did, too

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81

your turn, bro

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of my favorite thing about EverQuest is that you can be agnostic in a world in which you literally get to meet/kill the gods themselves. Always cracked me up.

"Agnostic" means undecided. With one god being as big an a-hole as the next, why decide? And frankly, why decide when the gods can be killed like the the wolves and rats you kill when you're young?

There should really be more ramifications from killing a god.

[Simba4793]

"Lastly, Contact Uggme in game if you ever have any questions. I'd be happy to help if I'm online."

Thankyou. Ive done some reaserch on my own. When I first started wow the hardest thing was learing the lingo
LFG
WTS
LFM

I was wondering what kind of acronyms there are in EQ

I was thinking of making a magician. Ive always loved having pets to do my bidding.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Simba4793 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was wondering what kind of acronyms there are in EQ

The basic stuff that people use in WoW all came from EQ and UO so you shouldn't have any trouble there. Everything else will just be pieces of gear ie FBSS (flowing black silk sash), zones and sometimes mobs. If you don't know what people are talking about just ask.

[Gadwen]

Don't be a douche, build your friends list, join a guild. Don't expect to log in and see significant progress every time. Check out the wiki to decide what class you want to play, classes are more specialized in EQ so choose the role that best suites your play style. The progress here will be a lot slower, but it's definitely more rewarding than WoW.

[Simba4793]

I have no idea how to quote, Ive never been one for forums.

"the biggest thing about everquest is make friends, its not like wow threes no lfg tool that pulls you into a zone with a group of strangers for a 30 minute instance, youll be seeing a lot of the same people in your level range and most groups go for hours in the same spot, no clearing from zone in to final boss in 30 minutes and starting over. Pick a room sit in and kill everything you can for hours on end. The more friends/helpful you are the easier time you'll have."

That sounds awesome. Reminds a bit of runscape where you would talk to the people grinding xp for hours and make actual connections and friends.

"Hey OP, let's see your armory link. I always love to see armory links of people who talk about how ezmode WoW is"
Sure
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...b%C3%A1/simple
My DK
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...%C3%A9w/simple
My warrior

the reason why my gear is so bad is because once I got geared enough for raids I just stopped caring. did probably one or two LFR's then just sat in org with my glaives on and looked pretty

[Tecmos Deception]

If you're looking for challenges, consider a necromancer instead of a magician. Magicians have the best pets, and they have a variety of pets, but they are pretty much one-trick ponies. Necros only have one kind of pet to summon really, but they have a wide variety of very potent spells besides that. A mage is 110% reliant on his pet to be useful, whether solo or grouping, but a necro can be awesome in quite a few different ways.

Edit - and not to slam you too much, but you played right into my trap, so to speak. You said wow is too casual and that you want a real challenge, but the only parts of wow that you even did are the casual and easy parts! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]