lurkers/new players: advice from a noob

[fuark]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell, I would play also if no one was on lol. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha, I enjoy the having to be alert to other people in my zone, so having no one isn't as fun.

[Pudge]

You guys who only play blue really have no idea what red is like... you have to actually play before you judge : / only true thing is population is lower and more fickle. But if you play blue and enjoy the pve.. well you can do more of that, and faster, on red... If pop is so low you would never see anybody who would PvP you! why not roll on red with your crew? Also the community on red is actually stronger in a weird way

[TarukShmaruk]

Longtime Rallos Zek vet here, from 1999-2004. I saw it all - from the days of being able to loot weapons/shields/ranged, to the days of an enchanter being able to charm you and type /pet get lost and you would slash yourself for 32k and take XP loss, to me personally taking vengeance upon the naked PKs (who risked nothing) by using my pet to XP loss them, to ultimately loot being removed.

I would never go back to an item loot EQ PVP server. Hell I don't know if I'd go back to EQ PVP.

For two reasons, mainly:

1) EQ PVP is hilariously imbalanced because it was never designed for PVP. Whether it was the naked ice comet Wizards of vanilla, the hilariously OP necros of Kunark that could solo 5 people at once by chain casting deflux and other unresistable (in pvp) spells, or how OP melee became from velious onwards.

2) EQ is not a game that supports item looting well. It is far too soul crushing to get jumped and lose some item that took a week to camp - it just drives people to quit. Games that support item looting are games like Eve, UO, Darkfall - these are games where items are craftable and replacable and unless you are stupid you never lose anything too valuable.

It also tremendously devalued droppable gear and increased the value of NO DROP gear.

And I say this with a lot of fond memories of RZ. But there was also a reason RZ was such a bluebie server where PKs became KOS by everyone and PVP was discouraged.

[Blasted]

On the edge of my seat waiting for anyone to refute the above points.

[big league chew]

for good or bad, we dont have item loot enabled on red99

[Pudge]

EQ PVP SO IMBALANCED

SOMETIMES A CERTAIN CLASS HAS AN ADVANTAGE OVER ANOTHER IN PVP

I CANNOT KILL ANYONE WITH MY CLERIC. BUT NEITHER CAN THEY KILL ME. ALSO I LOSE WHEN I GET BACKSTABBED BY A DUELIST ROGUE ON MY WIZ. BUT AM ABLE TO LEVITATE OVER THE ROGUE AND CAST ICE COMET ON HIM IF I FIND HIM UNPREPARED. THIS IS BULLSHIT

[big league chew]

JUST BE A SHADOWKNIGHT AND ULL HAVE FUN
WANT ALT?
MAKE SHADOWKNIGHT

[Faerie]

WHY ARE WE ALL TALKING IN CAPS? STOP BEING STUPID; YOU'RE SCARING AWAY POTENTIAL NEW PLAYERS. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!

Yeah, PvP is pretty great. Having played blue here, I've decided that even with the low population red is a much better experience. We're allowed, like, freedoms, and stuff! I can be as nice or as mean as I want, and other players can react to that however they see fit. More opportunity to make a name for yourself is always a good thing, and on blue players are all expected to be nice, or at least somewhat neutral, because there's nothing else to do. Guess once you get leveled and geared you can start being mean by taking raid encounters, but it's just not the same.

I'm not a very competitive player, but Red99 is my e-home [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Bamzal Sherbet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

first part of his post reminiscing about good ol days of RZ was great.. please, do go on with that.

but his post went down hill once he started bashing EQ PVP

Are you kidding?

In vanilla melee was worthless and CC spells never landed because of MR stacking. Druids dot was unresistable, many necro dots were unresistable and so was life tap - this is just vanilla era.

Then kunark came out and necros were god mode - splurt, boiling blood, deflux all unresistable in PVP. Enchanters got rapture I think, which was just lovely.

Melee remain garbage until velious and luclin at which point resists get so powerful that they have free reign of the anusi of everyone else.

I mean EQ was never balanced for PVP I don't understand how anyone could begin to argue that EQ PVP was good past level 35 and even then I have my doubts.

And bards were just lol

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys who only play blue really have no idea what red is like... you have to actually play before you judge : / only true thing is population is lower and more fickle. But if you play blue and enjoy the pve.. well you can do more of that, and faster, on red... If pop is so low you would never see anybody who would PvP you! why not roll on red with your crew? Also the community on red is actually stronger in a weird way

Here is a classic example of the red mentality. Remember, the whole point of EQ is PVE. They saw how UO was turning into a no-holds-barred brawl and their goal was to create a kind of massively multiplayer DND. Challenge was achieved by giving the NPCs much bigger numbers than the PCs, making all the good loot very timeconsuming to acquire, and by giving the playerbase as few hints as possible. Now, who says "I want to do all that PVE stuff AND still have to deal with gankers and PKs and all the UO PVP stuff" ? Someone who is very fucking serious about the game. Because if you are a casual player on a server like this you are the sheep.

So, when you combine a group of very hardcore players who all derive a great deal of satisfaction from winning at EQ with some ganks and a whole fuck ton of OOC trash talking and issues of the Red Faggot Gazette, and you get a server that is serious fucking business. Winning over there is a big deal; witness Stasis trying to sell his rogue after he lost in the first round of the BOTB. And, to quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that!".

But now imagine you are one of those very hardcore red players who puts a lot of effort into winning on that server. And then you look over at blue, and you see that a) their population is 10x yours and b) they think your server is a shithole. This is like an assault on your core values. And thats why we see all these "come to red so I can shit on you you loser" posts.