Deciding my offhand.

[zanderklocke]

If a bard is going to be twisting melee buffs (haste, damage shield, slow/snare, mana song), which is typical for most groups, weapons are going to be more useful for dps (although not great dps) compared to twisting in a DoT song with a drum equipped. Every DoT song used is removing a group beneficial buff.

[astuce999]

Dont mean to highjack the thread, but what is considered high dps in a regular group?

'stuce

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a bard is going to be twisting melee buffs (haste, damage shield, slow/snare, mana song), which is typical for most groups, weapons are going to be more useful for dps (although not great dps) compared to twisting in a DoT song with a drum equipped. Every DoT song used is removing a group beneficial buff.

Right, but if you've got a rogue (who of course by lvl 10 should have his epic on p99!) are you even going to notice the bard dps?

[Vadd]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dont mean to highjack the thread, but what is considered high dps in a regular group?

'stuce

Just a guess, but I'd say.... around 50dps?

So maybe 60's is "high?"

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, but if you've got a rogue (who of course by lvl 10 should have his epic on p99!) are you even going to notice the bard dps?

Maybe not, but it's at least a little more additional dps. I mean it never hurts to add even just a bit more dps. Everything adds up.

[Tecmos Deception]

A solid group of 60s would probably be something like 250 sustained DPS (tank 30, 3 dps at 50-60 average, a 4th dps or charming enchanter/druid/necro with +50-60 more). You might see 300+ in some fights, when charm lasts the whole time and positioning is just right and all, but when you think about positioning and CC happening and charm breaks and stuff, 250 over long periods of combat is probably right.

An excellent group might average up to 350 sustained (a group with only charms, epic rogues, and/or well-geared monks as dps)?

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right? I'm like uh, just use the drum...

You probably would kill about as fast lol. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[zanderklocke]

Bard dps about 20-25.

It's funny, back on Live, I never remember people actually parsing out the numbers. Did the tools even exist back then? Presently, I've seen some people do some pretty dumb things on hate/fear clears to try to out dps the experience group or show up at the top of the dps counter.

[zanderklocke]

Webrunner, if I look half as sweet as the guy in your avatar picture when I grow older, I know I have succeeded at life.

[falkun]

Bard DPS is around 20-25 with BOH+Gmace. I can believe epic+VP weapons pushing 35-45, especially if you stack DoT songs in there. Either way, thats 1/4 to 1/2 of rogue/monk DPS.