Why do devs keep making these retarded cash shop MMORPGs that all fail?

[Swish]

Yep I have to say I agree... if I see a cash shop for any kind of gain I run a mile. I'd rather everyone paid a $8-$10 subscription a month and have the game fair - and it gets rid of a lot of toxic players at the same time (see - League of Legends etc)

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Yeah I normally automatically quit any game I try that has cash shops. This is a bad way to ruin the immersion in game for me.

[Ephirith]

I dislike even a cosmetic cash shop. I remember in WoW when they released that $25 Celestial Steed mount, I went to orgrimmar and everyone was fucking riding one. People were making fun of them and the typical response was: "LAL dont b mad bcuz ur 2 poor to afford 1 of these sick mounts raufelmao". Like most mounts, this one wasn't even a trophy signifying any kind of accomplishment or hard work... I'm reluctant to use the word 'immersion' after it's been meme-tized, but yea, ruined my immersion.

And that was the day I lost my faith in the invisible hand of human rationality.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dislike even a cosmetic cash shop. I remember in WoW when they released that $25 Celestial Steed mount, I went to orgrimmar and everyone was fucking riding one. People were making fun of them and the typical response was: "LAL dont b mad bcuz ur 2 poor to afford 1 of these sick mounts raufelmao". Like most mounts, this one wasn't even a trophy signifying any kind of accomplishment or hard work... I'm reluctant to use the word 'immersion' after it's been meme-tized, but yea, ruined my immersion.

And that was the day I lost my faith in the invisible hand of human rationality.

Lol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dislike even a cosmetic cash shop. I remember in WoW when they released that $25 Celestial Steed mount, I went to orgrimmar and everyone was fucking riding one. People were making fun of them and the typical response was: "LAL dont b mad bcuz ur 2 poor to afford 1 of these sick mounts raufelmao". Like most mounts, this one wasn't even a trophy signifying any kind of accomplishment or hard work... I'm reluctant to use the word 'immersion' after it's been meme-tized, but yea, ruined my immersion.

And that was the day I lost my faith in the invisible hand of human rationality.

The problem with basing it on accomplishment is that this ties up hte game. It means you have to attach a length of time to the accomplishment. When you do that, you exclude players who might not have hte time (or inclination). So you make it purchasable. This allows you to have customers who have less time but more money. This (should) broaden your user base. However, as was mentioned by the Ephirath, it breaks immersion when people show off the things they buy without earning it in-game. It cheapens the accomplishment.

Is there a way to please everybody so that nobody has bad feelings?

Keep in mind I long played Eq even though I had bad feelings. So maybe it's not game breaking. However, I'm not playing it anymore. In fact, I'm playing a fairly hardcore game right now named Wurm Online. But even in that game players can purchase silver and silver can purchase most everything in the game; including labor. However, players still have to work and organize things. The game doesn't overly favor rich players. I'm sure with time it could. If the rich players start to become too common then the developers will want their money....

A good example of a game that became too expensive is Entropia Universe.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you do that, you exclude players who might not have hte time or perseverance.

That's a good thing, that's what makes it an accomplishment. Handouts are boring for everybody, even casuals.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a good thing, that's what makes it an accomplishment. Handouts are boring for everybody, even casuals.

How would you suggest that a game can please people of all tolerances? So lets say there's somebody that only can play 1 hour per day and another person that an play 5 and yet another that only players 2 hours every other day. And lets say that one of them has a salary at least 3x higher than the others. If the company wants their money, how should they go about getting it? And what about the poor player??

The idea is to make a game that works for every person, rich and poor, all walks of life. Why? Money. You want their money. A game that works for the most people will get you the most money.

The irony is of course that 80% or more of the money is in the top 20% of income earners. In fact, 1% of income earners constitute about 30% of total net worth. So if games start to tap into the top income earners, it's a given that they'll favor them. The trick will be not losing the poor players.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dislike even a cosmetic cash shop. I remember in WoW when they released that $25 Celestial Steed mount, I went to orgrimmar and everyone was fucking riding one. People were making fun of them and the typical response was: "LAL dont b mad bcuz ur 2 poor to afford 1 of these sick mounts raufelmao". Like most mounts, this one wasn't even a trophy signifying any kind of accomplishment or hard work... I'm reluctant to use the word 'immersion' after it's been meme-tized, but yea, ruined my immersion.

And that was the day I lost my faith in the invisible hand of human rationality.

I think cash shops are inevitable nowadays. People want a choice in whether they fork over money each month. Even GW2 has a cash shop. The cat's out of the bag now, man. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Swish]

Originally Posted by EchoedTruth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think cash shops are inevitable nowadays. People want a choice in whether they fork over money each month. Even GW2 has a cash shop. The cat's out of the bag now, man. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's enough of a playerbase (even judging by posts in this thread as a sample) that would be drawn to a game that's a flat subscription with no advantage beyond paying your dues each month.

[Nune]

Sorry, for a second I thought I was reading a thread on the P99 boards where people were looking down on paying money for specific items.