Mob Hit Range and Pathing prevent Bard AE kiting?

[soup]

Originally Posted by mr.miketastic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been explained to me that they do not want bards AE kiting mobs here. It is probably #500099999 on the list of things to look into. Look, if a bard could AE kite like they could on live, then the bards would not be grouping. On this server, soloing seems to be somewhat discouraged, so I wouldn't count on bards getting the same abilities like on live.
If the AE kiting nerf gets to you...Wait till you try charming without a metric asston of CHA.
Just keep getting groups as a bard and you will not miss the AE as much.

See, I don't get this. Why aren't the classic purists in an uproar over it? Anytime anything is up for debate it seems to always come back to "THIS IS HOW IT WAS IN CLASSIC, PERIOD."

[wc4482]

I wish I could change the title of this thread. My findings from the video seem like something is not working as intended.

Running in a straight line away from mobs should result in the furthest distance from them, and as such the lowest chance of getting hit by a melee attack. However that is not the case, a bug exists where running straight away from them causes them to get an attack off.

[Thorjorkill]

You can keep on looking for answers all you want. Hit box sizes, mob run speed/pathing and the way mobs do damage/calc range here are the core issues. Nothing is going to change until a total revamp of those systems get a new pass. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[garyogburn]

Wait, so, bards are nerfed in p1999, being fundamentally different than they were on live?

Why?

[Lazortag]

I haven't read this thread in its entirety because I'm so infuriated at the suggestion in the first few posts that Bards "can't aoe kite". Like, what? I've been aoe kiting 3-4 mobs at a time right now since level 5, and I'm now level 30. Also, we can fear kite ridiculously easily since our fear doesn't have a mana cost, and sometimes that's even faster. You guys are seriously just bad and don't know how to play.

[wc4482]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't read this thread in its entirety because I'm so infuriated at the suggestion in the first few posts that Bards "can't aoe kite". Like, what? I've been aoe kiting 3-4 mobs at a time right now since level 5, and I'm now level 30. Also, we can fear kite ridiculously easily since our fear doesn't have a mana cost, and sometimes that's even faster. You guys are seriously just bad and don't know how to play.

Guys just watch the damn video. The reason I haven't tried to AoE kite bunches of mobs my level is because they are getting swings off on me even if they are super far away.

It is probably possible but not efficiently and not safely.

Theres a bug here and I just want it to be more known.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by wc4482 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys just watch the damn video. The reason I haven't tried to AoE kite bunches of mobs my level is because they are getting swings off on me even if they are super far away.

It is probably possible but not efficiently and not safely.

Theres a bug here and I just want it to be more known.

Wahhh!!! WAHHHHHH!!! WAAAHHHHHHH!!!

Stop whining - yes, mobs can (sometimes) hit from unusually far away, but that doesn't mean aoe kiting is impossible or even difficult. I NEVER played a Bard on live, tried it on here and it seems I know more than most of you noobs.

Here is how you aoe kite at low levels:

1-cast selo's with a drum on
2-equip a lute
3-use the stringed aoe so it does twice as much damage
4-once the mob winces, start casting selo's again (selo's should not have worn off yet though, unless you're a noob) and equip a drum before the casting bar disappears
5-start casting regen, equip a lute before the casting bar disappears
6-aoe another mob with a lute on
7-cast selo's, regen, aoe, and so on, bringing more mobs with you unless you're at precariously low health.

Later you get Denon's Disruptive Discord, so you can have two aoe's going at once. Also, if you're ridiculously faster than a mob you can try twisting the DD spell at the same time, but that's not necessary.

You should also equip the AOE fear as a failsafe, as most of you are noobs and will probably need it to prevent yourselves from dying.

Honestly, it's been about 40 times that someone's gone up to me and been like "WOW ARE YOU AOE KITING AS A BARD HOW DO YOU DO IT?????" I figured out without ever having played as a bard and without looking at guides on the internet or anything, because I thought it was intuitive, but I guess some of you are so unfathomably bad that you can't take a little bit of damage from some enemies without whining about it. It was only a matter of time that someone went to the forums to argue that aoe kiting has been "nerfed", with dumb conspiracy theories about how it was done to encourage grouping (lol?)

And to think this is going to get even easier with the new AC mitigation, and yet you'll still be complaining about how it's "impossible".

[PhelanKA]

Originally Posted by wc4482 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys just watch the damn video. The reason I haven't tried to AoE kite bunches of mobs my level is because they are getting swings off on me even if they are super far away.

It is probably possible but not efficiently and not safely.

Theres a bug here and I just want it to be more known.

It makes me think of the guy that tells his doctor his arm hurts when he "moves it like this" and his doctor tells him to stop moving his arm like that.

I have the same problems as a necro when kiting mobs. I'm not thinking this is an intentional nerf but rather a synchronicity problem between the server and client. However seeing as how in order to avoid it being a problem all you need to do is run in a tight circle then just run in a circle. Duh.

[wc4482]

Originally Posted by PhelanKA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It makes me think of the guy that tells his doctor his arm hurts when he "moves it like this" and his doctor tells him to stop moving his arm like that.

I have the same problems as a necro when kiting mobs. I'm not thinking this is an intentional nerf but rather a synchronicity problem between the server and client. However seeing as how in order to avoid it being a problem all you need to do is run in a tight circle then just run in a circle. Duh.

+1

This thread helped me realize this. I wouldn't have noticed the mechanic that I have been complaining about if I didn't make a video trying to bring it to people's attention.

I can finally kite now!

Originally Posted by Lazortag

Wahhh!!! WAHHHHHH!!! WAAAHHHHHHH!!!

Stop whining - yes, mobs can (sometimes) hit from unusually far away, but that doesn't mean aoe kiting is impossible or even difficult. I NEVER played a Bard on live, tried it on here and it seems I know more than most of you noobs.

Here is how you aoe kite at low levels:

1-cast selo's with a drum on
2-equip a lute
3-use the stringed aoe so it does twice as much damage
4-once the mob winces, start casting selo's again (selo's should not have worn off yet though, unless you're a noob) and equip a drum before the casting bar disappears
5-start casting regen, equip a lute before the casting bar disappears
6-aoe another mob with a lute on
7-cast selo's, regen, aoe, and so on, bringing more mobs with you unless you're at precariously low health.

-1

Everyone with half a brain can figure this out... Trying to do it is a completely different story. I made this thread because I kept failing at kiting and I didn't know why. Thanks to the thread I know how to kite given this server's mechanics.

[Gorgetrapper]

Or perhaps getting hit while AE kiting just isn't worth it and just doing snare (or selos) while twisting 3-4 targetable DoT songs is safer and quicker.