Cold Case Files: VP in seb final look

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fe's arbiter of truth.... RNF LOL.

Clearly that's what I said. People can look at what's provided and form their own views and opinions. Sorry that bothers ya buddy.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Mortiiss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly that's what I said. People can look at what's provided and form their own views and opinions. Sorry that bothers ya buddy.

You implied RNF was a place to make such a decision most of the non biased (undecided people) have this forum blocked. Derper

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You implied RNF was a place to make such a decision most of the non biased (undecided people) have this forum blocked. Derper

a court of fellow peers then

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You implied RNF was a place to make such a decision most of the non biased (undecided people) have this forum blocked. Derper

No I didn't, I merely said that people can read what Merkk posted, your stupid reply, and what I posted then figure it out for themselves. You put those words in my mouth, sir.

[Mortiiss]

Good pic.

[quido]

lol that's adorable

[AenarieFenninRo]

Was it TMO? Was it FE? Was it 'rainbow_bright_guildmember_01'? WHO COULD IT BE?!?!

Long and short, this video only proves that Trak came through the wall, and killed FE people. While that is lamentable, there is no value in declaring ANYONE as the bad guys here, because it cannot be proved. Hell, it could have been (i'm not saying it was) someone in FE who came in on the TMO engage and got trak touched... we just don't have any evidence here at all.

For to the poster who said go look at Trak logs:
I respect that you're trying to help identify who did this, and that you're probably a knowledgable player and already know, but figured I would state the obvious just in case anyone wasn't aware how logs worked. When Trak resets, the log clears. There is no retaining of information from one engage to the next. The only time the log is updated is after Trakanon is engaged. If that engage results in Trak's death, the log is retained as "complete". If Trak wins, and resets, then the log is wiped out. (thats what this video shows). If the person FDs, Trak resets, they stand and are still agro, its a "new engage log" with only that person on it.

If there is someone in the shroom maze, or someone under the rock, or someone in Greater Faydark, the answer still remains the same, it is not shown on this video. Because Trak resets, it will not be retained in the log. There is no way to "prove it" in this instance unless someone was where the person who had agro was standing / flopping / whatever / and could synch that with Trakanon going apeshit and ending up on ledge.

I will grant that there is a possibility that it could have been someone in TMO, but it could just as easily have been someone in any other guild or even an unguilded person on the server. (Please be logical and don't latch onto this as an admission or denial of guilt, I am just trying to be as neutral as possible here)

I was at this trak, I was in vent, and I never heard anyone say "I'm FD in shrooms, i'm going to fuck with FE" The closest to this I heard was "Who can drag my corpse from shrooms?"

My guess of what happened here?
Without evidence its hard to say, but my guess is that someone got Trak touched and flopped, waited till trak was reset and stood... heard Trak is agro and failed a flop... had to wait obligatory X seconds, and flopped again which is why Trak got as far as it did on the first "training" (who knows it may have been 2 fails). Waited a couple mins, hoping trak would forget them, then stood again and heard the same thing so flopped again (trak didn't go as far second time).

This is one of the MAJOR reasons that TMO moved to the other side of the water a month ago... to avoid possible trains when we were prepping to engage. You're vulnerable in that spot, plain and simple... not because someone is intent on disrupting your raid, but because any number of things can cause Trak to agro you, especially with change in agro radius.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was it TMO? Was it FE? Was it 'rainbow_bright_guildmember_01'? WHO COULD IT BE?!?!

Long and short, this video only proves that Trak came through the wall, and killed FE people. While that is lamentable, there is no value in declaring ANYONE as the bad guys here, because it cannot be proved. Hell, it could have been (i'm not saying it was) someone in FE who came in on the TMO engage and got trak touched... we just don't have any evidence here at all.

For to the poster who said go look at Trak logs:
I respect that you're trying to help identify who did this, and that you're probably a knowledgable player and already know, but figured I would state the obvious just in case anyone wasn't aware how logs worked. When Trak resets, the log clears. There is no retaining of information from one engage to the next. The only time the log is updated is after Trakanon is engaged. If that engage results in Trak's death, the log is retained as "complete". If Trak wins, and resets, then the log is wiped out. (thats what this video shows). If the person FDs, Trak resets, they stand and are still agro, its a "new engage log" with only that person on it.

If there is someone in the shroom maze, or someone under the rock, or someone in Greater Faydark, the answer still remains the same, it is not shown on this video. Because Trak resets, it will not be retained in the log. There is no way to "prove it" in this instance unless someone was where the person who had agro was standing / flopping / whatever / and could synch that with Trakanon going apeshit and ending up on ledge.

I will grant that there is a possibility that it could have been someone in TMO, but it could just as easily have been someone in any other guild or even an unguilded person on the server. (Please be logical and don't latch onto this as an admission or denial of guilt, I am just trying to be as neutral as possible here)

I was at this trak, I was in vent, and I never heard anyone say "I'm FD in shrooms, i'm going to fuck with FE" The closest to this I heard was "Who can drag my corpse from shrooms?"

My guess of what happened here?
Without evidence its hard to say, but my guess is that someone got Trak touched and flopped, waited till trak was reset and stood... heard Trak is agro and failed a flop... had to wait obligatory X seconds, and flopped again which is why Trak got as far as it did on the first "training" (who knows it may have been 2 fails). Waited a couple mins, hoping trak would forget them, then stood again and heard the same thing so flopped again (trak didn't go as far second time).

This is one of the MAJOR reasons that TMO moved to the other side of the water a month ago... to avoid possible trains when we were prepping to engage. You're vulnerable in that spot, plain and simple... not because someone is intent on disrupting your raid, but because any number of things can cause Trak to agro you, especially with change in agro radius.

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[Daldolma]

i believe alarti is wrong about literally everything he has ever posted, thus fe must be correct

[kotton05]

that pic depicts the events so much better! good style points on it.