Economy barrier for new players

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol that's just plain dumb. It will take longer to recover from res effects than to just fight for the exp back.

All hope in the EQ player is not lost.

[Seredoc]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is one of the main reasons we have had massive inflation, too many people jumping over each other to buy low/sell high... and then when the goalposts move, buy high/sell higher.

People talk about laziness on the server, I've had L10-12s ask me in EC for a 96% rez...and the same applies for buying/selling. Buyers need to be more savvy rather than just dropping 500pp too much on an item. There's no "I'll camp it myself" ethic on this server (Jboots included)... everyone wants to be lazy, and this is the result.

Granted this is hard for an untwinked warrior to accomplish, one might argue that starting off as an ungeared tank is a bad idea on this server (sadly) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made a druid first, couldn't stand playing it with snare/root not stacking, so I rolled a warrior due to guild needing more tanks. I enjoy playing a warrior, it just gets annoying playing with twinks because they(generally) think they're better than you based solely on gear and that's a toxic mentality I don't want/need in my recreational time.

I personally want to go camp for gear and upgrades, that's also why I am doing smithing, because as it stands now my mid range cultural is an upgrade and then my high end cultural will be even more so.

I only bring up my scenario because why have a tank if you have an epic rogue? Why aren't you tanking Mr. Epic rogue, since you have spent 300k on a lvl 15 toon you have more AC and HP than myself?

Twinking ruins low end content and personally it is one reason I am glad MOST epics require high end raiding/planar chars.

Originally Posted by veejur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can call what I'm doing whining, OK. I look at it more as asking for advice, but I get how people are probably sick of this. It's not your problem anymore, why care? Again, I'm just asking these questions because I think this server is awesome, the concept is fantastic, but I'm struggling a bit. Thank you for your advice everyone, casting aside the posts that didn't really offer anything, I see quite a few that did. I will take this to heart and try out some of these spots, thank you.

The best one I saw to make money and level for the appropriate solo capable classes http://wiki.project1999.org/Ultimate...ng_Money_Guide

As far as I can tell that guide works well except for the 18-24 and the 24-28, I think those ones are currently not "money spots" so to speak due to their higher difficulty or the lack of spider silk being as valuable.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Seredoc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twinking ruins low end content and personally it is one reason I am glad MOST epics require high end raiding/planar chars

I've got a twinked SK, and while I don't "need" to group with her, I generally do group...add some decent DPS at low levels and enjoy pulling. All that together helps the people I'm with to level more quickly.

I do agree though, for new players who want that "fresh" feeling, P99 is certainly not exactly that.

Hand down what you can to new players, they'll love you forever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kieu]

Originally Posted by Seredoc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I can tell that guide works well except for the 18-24 and the 24-28, I think those ones are currently not "money spots" so to speak due to their higher difficulty or the lack of spider silk being as valuable.

You'd be correct. The money there is completely not going to happen with Wu's being uncraftable now. Not to mention the exp there is terrible. Although there is the OOT sisters around 24-28 which will always be good. 18-24, better off just sticking to oasis, and SK.

[Estu]

1) Play whatever class you want.
2) Don't freak out about gear.
3) Group with twinks if they'll have you in their groups, and enjoy the ride.

No twinked rogue is going to care if your new warrior can't hold aggro over his epic backstabs. You'll just get EXP faster for playing with people with good gear. If you want to buy up some low level items, there are ways to farm some plat (bone chips, high quality bear skins, spiderling silks, nybright sisters in lesser faydark) at low levels and get some really basic stuff that can make a difference (like some proccing weapons for a warrior). But really:

* You DO NOT NEED good gear to level. When the server (or any server) started, everyone had nothing, and they leveled up just fine. Once you are a high level, you can get good gear more easily.
* If other people in your group DO HAVE good gear, it just means you get to EXP faster because they are more of a help to you than they would be if they had the same kind of gear you do.

So, what is the problem?

[letsallkillandy]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) Play whatever class you want.
2) Don't freak out about gear.
3) Group with twinks if they'll have you in their groups, and enjoy the ride.

Severely under-geared new player here. I started a non-geardependant class and am just riding the twink train to level 50+...

Im predicting to have full bronze on my cleric until late 40's... Any hope of buying anything in EC died when I walked through and saw the prices. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Barkingturtle]

Low end stuff is cheaper now than it was in 2010, even. I paid 500pp for my first advisor robe--and I spent thirty levels before that wearing gossamer.

[Vladesch]

Just do a bit of googling around "plat" and a few other keywords and it's painfully obvious the way this server works. Ive got to know a few people with some really nice stuff and it's quite obvious from their lack of knowledge of the game how they got it.

There's your answer for why everything is so expensive.

(I'm talking about high level items. As stated many times, cheap stuff is ... cheap and easy to get and probably adequate to join groups with)
Not that I worry much about gear. All my characters are casters. An evening in south ro and I'm good for all the gear I need.

[Kieu]

Shit, you should be happy that rogues in your group. Fast kills.

Twinks are always going to be around, they were massive in live as well. Everyone starts out at the bottom, just don't let it get to you. You'll end up being that same person you despised in the long run.

[Reubin]

Bear in mind that everyone who plays on this server was in pretty much the same boat as you are now with their first char. I still had many pieces of Raw Silk on my Wizard when he hit 50. I remember replacing one of his raw silk wrist bands with a Carmine Trinket from PoF. I started fairly early on live and it was the same way there. Everyone got to high 30s to low 40s in Silk, Leather, Ringmail, or Bronze for the most part. Then you started questing your own Sol Ro armor (and some people were 50 before the Sol Ro armor quests were even implemented in the game). I remember very well when FBRs were going for 500pp and hardly anyone had that kind of money. When I was leveling I don't remember there being an abundance of good cheap gear. You either had to camp the stuff you wanted or you had to know how to farm plat. Unfortunately this is really tough for Monks.

So you might not get a whole lot of sympathy about your plight since everyone was untwinked at some point. The only difference is that now there are a lot of twinks running around to make all the new players feel inferior. But as long as they are willing to group with you, you're benefiting from their twinking too. In EQ levels are more important than gear for the most part. As long as you are able to get XP, the gear will eventually come.

Starting a Necro/Enchanter pair is a great idea if you're frustrated by being untwinked. You'll be able to level really well with very minimal gear. You'll also be able to farm platinum fairly well if you choose to.