How do we get more players?

[Cars]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

good start

3. stop griefing new players u see running around in cloth
4. stop using ooc for real life attacks and dumb spam
5. the PLAYERS need to create an environment that is actually friendly (appealing) to new players
6. let blues COPY over (without coin or droppables so they cant have a negative impact on the economy.
7. PvP text

Pretty legit, would love to see player transfers as I honestly think you would see a massive spike in the high end competition scene.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

good start
6. let blues COPY over (without coin or droppables so they cant have a negative impact on the economy.

I CANNOT stress enough this is the WORSE idea for this server.

Without ANY GEAR or items may be reasonable. But allowing someone to bring gear into a server which runs completely different is a TERRIBLE idea.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I CANNOT stress enough this is the WORSE idea for this server.

Without ANY GEAR or items may be reasonable. But allowing someone to bring gear into a server which runs completely different is a TERRIBLE idea.

I am going to reply to myself to clarify.

This server is PVP, mobs are killed and defended for a reason. Allowing someone to BYPASS this by simply getting a fully vp/dragon geared char from blue is just a deal killer for many people.

Cant compete with high end guilds on red? Never raided high end mobs on red? Just buy a well geared char on blue and transfer it. THIS WILL HAPPEN.

The only way I would support char transfers is naked. All spells above level 50 are removed.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I CANNOT stress enough this is the WORSE idea for this server.

Well then, enjoy your 77 average players server.

If everyone on blue is horrible at PVP as you reds claim, what's the big deal? You don't want an influx of players from the playerbase most likely to create that influx for you when its not easily killable newbs wearing cloth?

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well then, enjoy your 77 average players server.

If everyone on blue is horrible at PVP as you reds claim, what's the big deal? You don't want an influx of players from the playerbase most likely to create that influx for you when its not easily killable newbs wearing cloth?

All you blue fucks would do is joining nihilum and claim you did something in pvp.

If they can manage someway to hardcode all the blue players into their own guild so that they would HAVE to compete with the rest of the server then sure, go ahead... hell transfer over with full gear for all i care, as long as you don't join the already huge zerg.

[Heavydrop]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

good start

3. stop griefing new players u see running around in cloth
4. stop using ooc for real life attacks and dumb spam
5. the PLAYERS need to create an environment that is actually friendly (appealing) to new players
6. let blues COPY over (without coin or droppables so they cant have a negative impact on the economy.
7. PvP text

What he said.
Not that I'm saying there needs to be character copy/transfer, etc.
I don't care about that personally.
Red has a bad image and some of its players calling those of us who play on blue
names and unmanly and all that doesn't help the cause of red.
I've done my time in EQ pvp back in the day.
I played on Rallos Zek, and admittedly I wasn't very good at pvp, but I still played
there.
I can't devote the time and energy to that like I used to.
I need to be able to go afk and not worry that I'll get ganked, therefore I don't
play on Red.
Of course that is the nature of the beast. PvP will happen.
Most people don't want to bother with it because its the unknown and too many
things can happen.
To me the exp loss on death isn't that big of a detractor. Not when there is
such an exp bonus in effect, right?
I'd rather loose some exp than some expensive item.
I have guys on Red but for now they stay camped

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. stop using ooc for real life attacks and dumb spam

This is one for me. I keep wanting to try red, and as an enchanter I can solo for XP without problems, but then I log in and get immediately spammed in ooc with RNF bullshit. I don't mind a good flamewar but its always the neanderthal 'u mad bro' 'no i killed u' type stuff. Then I log back on to blue and flame Sirken on the forums for not removing variance! Conclusion: happiness comes from within?

[Silent]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is one for me. I keep wanting to try red, and as an enchanter I can solo for XP without problems, but then I log in and get immediately spammed in ooc with RNF bullshit. I don't mind a good flamewar but its always the neanderthal 'u mad bro' 'no i killed u' type stuff. Then I log back on to blue and flame Sirken on the forums for not removing variance! Conclusion: happiness comes from within?

I agree at times theres a lot of useless ooc babble of stupid shit that will stem from someone going "soandso down" and then it begins. "ur noob, y u so mad?" "umad" "nou mad" which gets extremely annoying. But this is the reason I separate my chats, ooc, guild, tells are all in separate windows. I have never really had an issue since then. You can turn ooc off all together if you really want, The only issue is when your trying to have a meaningful conversation or talk about something serious and the umad crap is going on in the background.

I don't think red server pop is at a range where ooc should not be game wide. Maybe if it had 350-400 average+ then yes I would say go for it. But at most nights the servers dips down to 30-50 and sometimes all there is to do is talk in ooc to people while farming items/solo exping. Even then its hard to start a convo up or see anything other then auction messages. The way I see it, at peak times P99 Red server is just about at the limit for global ooc. One message from the right key person can spark a full out spam fest and flame war.

Originally Posted by Twain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize with more population, we would be able to stop recruiting heavily. The reason we recruit so much is because of the turn over rate of new apps. Every month we get 5+ new apps. Next month, we might have 1 of them still playing. The last few raids we have rangers or monks tanking and 4-5 dps classes lol. We have not even finished VP so why would we quit recruiting. If we had say 20-30 people switch over from blue, sure we would get a few apps out of it. We would be able to pick and choose a few key classes that we need though. We wouldn't just take anyone because we wouldn't need them. Increase in pop is increase in pop, however you look at it. What kills pop is the exp loss on pvp. I could careless if I died because I'm max exp on Twainz. My biggest problem is the opposition running and plugging every chance they get. PvP is so boring on this server that I created alts just to PvP. The only time I can get PvP on my main is if I attack a group of players or if I can find someone in the middle of a zone. If we removed the exp loss, I'm sure people would stay in fight. No one wants to PvP for hours just to have to exp for days or weeks to get back.

You are right, Most people would stick and fight it out. Some people who are 55+ and still grinding don't want to lose that exp % especially if they do not have the time to spends hours exping getting it back. Myself I personally don't mind it(but I have yet to hit a point where I get a few % in hours of exping). I rarely run from a fight right now, The only times is really when I am out numbered and know its going to be nothing but a rapefest. Or when im trying to get somewhere and cant be bothered to stop and pvp someone and risk possible death then CR and costing more time for whatever I was doing. This will obviously never change, But if a group of people run up on me 5v1 99% of the time everyone is going to jump in and attack. It would be too much to ask, and most would not even halting a killsquad for a 1v2 or 1v1 instead of 1v5.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is one for me. I keep wanting to try red, and as an enchanter I can solo for XP without problems, but then I log in and get immediately spammed in ooc with RNF bullshit. I don't mind a good flamewar but its always the neanderthal 'u mad bro' 'no i killed u' type stuff. Then I log back on to blue and flame Sirken on the forums for not removing variance! Conclusion: happiness comes from within?

dont forget u can /ignore annoying players, or just turn off /ooc

[porigromus]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

good start

3. stop griefing new players u see running around in cloth
4. stop using ooc for real life attacks and dumb spam
5. the PLAYERS need to create an environment that is actually friendly (appealing) to new players
6. let blues COPY over (without coin or droppables so they cant have a negative impact on the economy.
7. PvP text

I tried to give the PvP server a chance but was verbally and physically harassed the very first second I logged in so then I didn't go back. Playing with douches isn't fun.