#11
|
||||
|
Quote:
From my understanding a Mage can do 100 DPS with water pet + Boots of Bladecalling, 90 DPS with burnt staff. With DS you can get an extra 18 or so, depending on the situation. Rogue with Epic is doing 133ish DPS last time I parsed one in an XP group.
__________________
Shamwowi Wipesalot (60 SHM) | Bazgek Bonebreaker (60 SK) | Sznake Pliszken (52 MNK) | Laanfear (30 ENC)
Do you have questions about Shaman races? Read my guide: https://wiki.project1999.com/Shamwow...man_Race_Guide Want to see Shaman videos? Check out my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFU...zEFJVBIH3-jUog | |||
Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 09-04-2023 at 09:16 PM..
|
#12
|
|||
|
I've parsed my epic pet on mobs lvl 50+ and it's definitely not doing 100dps on its own
| ||
#13
|
||||
|
Quote:
I’ll compile parses tomorrow after work. Current iteration of Level 60 water pet at max summon, burnout IV, and muzzle is well above 60dps on group content. It typically equals if not out-performs epic pet following the nerf (epic no longer quads for 80) if positioned appropriately. It’s not a better global pet mind you, but in the singular role of putting out damage it does so quite well. By itself it will typically beat out the vast majority of melee to include your standard epic/EC group geared rogue. I haven’t ever consistently parsed a rog doing “133ish DPS” without velious raid gear (well beyond epic).
__________________
| |||
Last edited by Troxx; 09-04-2023 at 10:08 PM..
|
#14
|
||||
|
Quote:
In a group the Epic Pet isn't going to be tanking generally speaking, so you are going to be losing some DPS by using a casted DS. You'll lose more DPS if you are slowing the mob. People don't seem too keen on posting full logs of a Water pet. It would be nice to just get some full logs of a Water pet so we can parse them. From the last batch of data Troxx gave (no logs sadly): This data is reportedly from a group Troxx had in Sebilis Crypt: [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] His pet is buffed with Burnout IV, and it is a level 60 Water Pet Unfocused. Pet level is guessed at 1 level under max, since a few parses show the max hit of 58. Average pet DPS using the "DPS" value: (52 + 55 + 50 + 57 + 75 + 52 + 56 + 60 + 46) / 9 = 56 DPS. EDIT: switching to "DPS" value since I am not sure what "scaled" is accounting for. I think Troxx said Gamparse included the pet procs in the player DPS instead of the pet DPS. So this sounds about right according to his own data. The Epic Pet was doing about 6 procs per minute, and the Water pet DD is 100ish. Assuming 6 procs per minute, that is about 11 DPS, so 56 + 11 is roughly 67 DPS. He can post the raw logs though so we can parse them instead. He doesn't like doing that for some strange reason. Boots of Bladcalling/Burnt Wood Staff will do more DPS than mana nukes. You cannot regenerate the mana fast enough to consistently do 35 DPS. You can consistently spam boots/staff. Your average fight time in those parses was 27 seconds, so you could do 1x Boots click + 1x Staff click for 34 DPS per mob.
__________________
Shamwowi Wipesalot (60 SHM) | Bazgek Bonebreaker (60 SK) | Sznake Pliszken (52 MNK) | Laanfear (30 ENC)
Do you have questions about Shaman races? Read my guide: https://wiki.project1999.com/Shamwow...man_Race_Guide Want to see Shaman videos? Check out my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFU...zEFJVBIH3-jUog | |||
Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 09-04-2023 at 10:32 PM..
|
#15
|
|||
|
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
I don't have time to do it all tonight. Here's an isolated fight I found vs VS pit mob Spectral Knight (among the highest level in the zone) where I didn't nuke at all. Pet melee dps clocks in at 78dps. When you factor in his single nuke of 116 (attributed to Ailowen), the pet was 83.4dps. DS added a total of 231 dmg this fight for an additional 10dps. Isolated example but pretty consistent with what was happening for 3 straight hours. Even sitting on her ass, my mage contributed ~90 passive dps. Gamparse gets weird when you combine loads of fights where you're pulling 3-6 mobs at a time and deflects everyone's dps downward. What I can say was in this group over the last half hour my nukes and my pet was fully 64.78% of the total damage done not factoring in dmg shield. Rogue was epic. Warrior (56) was rocking epic 2hs Mindmelt was a god of a bardly puller We had near permanent drive by c2 and enchanter haste on top of bard song But yes. Mages are top tier group dps for leveling. My mage has zero raid gear, no water focus staff, and no epic. More to come tomorrow.
__________________
| ||
Last edited by Troxx; 09-04-2023 at 10:41 PM..
|
#16
|
||||
|
Quote:
Since Gamparse "gets weird" when fighting multiple mobs, we need to parse the logs manually.
__________________
Shamwowi Wipesalot (60 SHM) | Bazgek Bonebreaker (60 SK) | Sznake Pliszken (52 MNK) | Laanfear (30 ENC)
Do you have questions about Shaman races? Read my guide: https://wiki.project1999.com/Shamwow...man_Race_Guide Want to see Shaman videos? Check out my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFU...zEFJVBIH3-jUog | |||
Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 09-04-2023 at 10:45 PM..
|
#17
|
|||
|
You want me to post 3 hours worth of raw logs?
Lol Remember that the previous set of mobs was seb crypt. These fights are from Waffle House (Karnors Castle). Mob level will have a big impact on dps - pet dps and player melee dps alike. I did pick this particular set of mobs as they were the highest we could pull given how overcamped the zone was. I tried to pick the toughest mobs, not the green con spectral curates that my pet would occasionally crack 95-105 dps on.
__________________
| ||
Last edited by Troxx; 09-04-2023 at 10:48 PM..
|
#18
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
Shamwowi Wipesalot (60 SHM) | Bazgek Bonebreaker (60 SK) | Sznake Pliszken (52 MNK) | Laanfear (30 ENC)
Do you have questions about Shaman races? Read my guide: https://wiki.project1999.com/Shamwow...man_Race_Guide Want to see Shaman videos? Check out my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFU...zEFJVBIH3-jUog | |||
#19
|
||||
|
In another thread in sub forum there is a relevant thread titled something like “mage epic —— game changer?”. There’s good information there.
Quote:
The point is that the mage water pet by itself does more than enough damage (by itself) to put mages in the top tier for dps. This ignores the direct contributions from the mage itself - nukes, DS, malo (situational), rod (situational), coth (situational). Melees simply cannot compete unless they are atrociously overgeared for the content. Even then, the combination of the pet and the mage together still keeps the mage, at worst, extremely competitive if not still better. For what mages are good at, they are REALLY good at it. Globally? They don’t scale with raid gear, can’t reliably land nukes on raid mobs, and don’t have any meaningful cc. Like it or not, they are top tier group dps. For solo they are capable enough to never need a group to efficiently hit 60. They aren’t bad, their role just changes into something entirely different in raids. Still of vital importance … but completely unlike what they do from level 1 to 60 in non raid environments.
__________________
| |||
#20
|
||||
|
Quote:
Your own data shows your pet doing around 67 DPS in Crypt, which is consistently being out-done by the Enchanter. With Nukes you are doing basically 100 DPS, + 18 DPS or so with DS, assuming the optimal scenario for DS. Rogues are going to be doing higher damage than that too on blue mobs. As I said before, the last Rogue I parsed in Crypt was doing around 133 DPS on blue mobs. The Rogue you are grouping with is level 52. They might have been lower when you grouped with them, as they started at 49 today. This means your DPS is going to be higher naturally. They have Epic and a 0.5 ratio weapon in offhand. 34% worn haste.
__________________
Shamwowi Wipesalot (60 SHM) | Bazgek Bonebreaker (60 SK) | Sznake Pliszken (52 MNK) | Laanfear (30 ENC)
Do you have questions about Shaman races? Read my guide: https://wiki.project1999.com/Shamwow...man_Race_Guide Want to see Shaman videos? Check out my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFU...zEFJVBIH3-jUog | |||
Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 09-04-2023 at 11:44 PM..
|
|
|