NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best solution for homeless drug addicts is:

1. Start from the worst cases (ones that commit other crimes due to their drug use), and give them an ultimatum, it’s either prison or treatment, they have to pick one. Always good to give someone a little bit of autonomy and choice, yknow? Helps them feel more in control, works for kids [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. Treatment will last a length of time based on their participation. Go along with the program and try, and you’ll be out faster. Fuck it up or refuse, and it will last a long time or it’s off to prison

3. Treatment has to involve community integration. This would involve some kind of support system building and purpose. Crowd out the chance to relapse by keeping people busy with things within their individual ability to do

4. Gov’t funded Housing is screened. The most functional get the first and best options. The least functional get a metal storage container with metal furniture. Not the most comfortable but better than a tent or cardboard box. When they cover the floor and walls with their shit, relapse and die in there, the whole place can be hosed down and re-used. No maintenance

I could solve a lot of this stuff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this the usual punishment for any particular crime?

Live free or die.

(Cons owned!)

[cd288]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Firstly, there were many objections and several (R) Senators sustained them.

That's new!

Back on point:

The VP 'presides' over the joint-body certification, much like the heads of each chamber in regular order.

If the Speaker of the House can choose not to floor bills at any time, and the Senate majority leader can choose not to floor bills at any time, doesn't it follow that the presiding officer of the certification hearing can choose to or not choose to as well?

The electors only become 'true' when the Congress votes for them to be so.

I could give you a list of all the (R) Senators that you want to kick out of your party but I think you're just pretending anyway so no.

You think I am pretending to be a Republican? Why would I do that lol

[cd288]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve been confused on the student loan stuff

We’re pretty far past covid. And this doesn’t work for any other bad investments people make and can’t pay back

It doesn’t work for past students, and it doesn’t work for future students. So one generation of students at a single point in history get a little help with a loan they can’t pay back. And blue collar workers can go fuck themselves. Well, after they donate to government via taxes for the loan help that doesn’t benefit them. Then they can go fuck themselves. The loan forgiveness that only helps a single generation of students right now

I'm not a huge fan of the loan repayment, but I can also see an argument for its necessity. It's a little bit different than other types of loans because for decades we drove all our children towards college by pitching them that if you go to college and get a degree you're gonna have a decent paying job and be at least somewhat well off in life.

In reality, we drove them towards predatory lenders and for profit colleges (which are rampant in this country) while not only failing to educate people on career and degree guidance, but also failing to provide well-paying jobs/opportunities (the latter is a systemic issue with lack of wage growth and lack of retirement opportunities for people currently in the work force for the past 20ish years).

So as a result while in concept I'm not a huge fan of funding loan forgiveness, I do think there's an argument that economically for our future and our system we can't really just have an entire generation saddled with unsustainable college debt. It creates a ton of economic ripple effects not only now but decades down the line. So at the end of the day I am okay with repayment to some extent.

[Ooloo]

The thing is lots of young people *do* pay off their loans, or are well on their way to. It's not like it's impossible. I think a lot of the people demanding loan forgiveness just don't want to pay them, it's not really that they can't. And I mean I don't blame them, if I had a bunch of student debt and a politician came along and said hey I want to get rid of your debt it would basically guarantee my vote. So loan forgiveness is kind of just as manipulative as any predatory lender who "tricked" young billy into majoring in interpretive dance or whatever.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ten of the eleven U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents.

Not saying that all those Pres's were good Presidents, but this isn't really a fair statement and simply shows a lack of understanding of how economic cycles work.

For the most part, (i) the economy is cyclical in nature so recessions will eventually happen regardless, and (ii) a given recession usually has its roots in decisions made several years before (not saying that current day decisions can't exacerbate a recession or accelerate its start date though)...sometimes those decisions are made by democrats sometimes by republicans.

Look at the 2008 financial crisis for example. A good portion of the roots of that came from Dodd and Frank pushing banks to lower their lending requirements in order to facilitate broad access to homes for lower earning Americans. Bush himself tried to regulate Fanny & Freddy and the Democrats shot it down. Etc. I'm not saying the Republicans didn't have their fair share of mistakes either, but it's just an example of how these things get unfairly laid at the feet of a President when it's not always his fault.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think I am pretending to be a Republican? Why would I do that lol

Maybe beef over the state/local tax deduction that Tromp took away. I think you're in NY which has state income tax.

Anyway, these guys?

[Evia]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not a huge fan of the loan repayment, but I can also see an argument for its necessity. It's a little bit different than other types of loans because for decades we drove all our children towards college by pitching them that if you go to college and get a degree you're gonna have a decent paying job and be at least somewhat well off in life.

In reality, we drove them towards predatory lenders and for profit colleges (which are rampant in this country) while not only failing to educate people on career and degree guidance, but also failing to provide well-paying jobs/opportunities (the latter is a systemic issue with lack of wage growth and lack of retirement opportunities for people currently in the work force for the past 20ish years).

So as a result while in concept I'm not a huge fan of funding loan forgiveness, I do think there's an argument that economically for our future and our system we can't really just have an entire generation saddled with unsustainable college debt. It creates a ton of economic ripple effects not only now but decades down the line. So at the end of the day I am okay with repayment to some extent.

Right. And it sucks for them.
But what about the people that knew it was a scam, didn't go to school, make less per year on average because of this...but have zero debt. How is it fair to these people? So they should be punished while these college educated kids get bailed out?

It's bad form

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing is lots of young people *do* pay off their loans, or are well on their way to. I think a lot of the people demanding loan forgiveness just don't want to pay them, it's not that they can't. And I mean I don't blame them, if I had a bunch of student debt and a politician came along and said hey I want to get rid of your debt it would basically guarantee my vote. So loan forgiveness is kind of just as manipulative as any predatory lender who "tricked" young billy into majoring in interpretive dance or whatever.

No offense but this comment shows you don't actually know what's going on economically in this country right now (not that you're obligated to pay attention - if you're doing fine that's all well and good, but you should educate yourself if you're going to have an opinion on the student loan stuff).

[cd288]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe beef over the state/local tax deduction that Tromp took away. I think you're in NY which has state income tax.

Anyway, these guys?

Oh yeah totally not happy about that lol. My taxes went up higher during Trump than they did during Obama. I was willing to tolerate that, but when he came completely unhinged in 2020 that's when I jumped ship. Still consider myself a center right Republican though.

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. And it sucks for them.
But what about the people that knew it was a scam, didn't go to school, make less per year on average because of this...but have zero debt. How is it fair to these people? So they should be punished while these college educated kids get bailed out?

It's bad form

You're right, it's not fair. And that's why I am not a huge fan of it, but at the same time can see why it's economically necessary for the country in the long term.

[Botten]

Part 1.

So Betsy DeVos has been wanting to introduce child labor into school curriculum.
This article was written in 2016 when Betsy DeVos was the candidate for Trump to be the education secretary.

Advocacy of child labor in background of Education secretary pick

A think tank in 2016 was already planning on making child labor active in Arkansas. Sarah Huckabee Sanders has done just this.

Betsy DeVos has always wanted to destroy public education. She wanted to make private schools and bring back child labor. She wanted to make child labor part of that public school curriculum only (not the private school).

We have paid GOP governors enacting this wish for Betsy DeVos (married to former Amway CEO Dick DeVos and sister of the founder of Blackwater USA) and her heavily endorsed business family.

Part 2.
Supreme court ruled that an employer can sue people who are striking. This is just one brick in the wall of Christian Nationalism.

There are several states now who are allowing child labor. Right now they are writing bills that being part of public school you will need to participate in the work force.

Betsy DeVos: If parents do not allow their children to work within those work force requirements for school, then they will not be able to attend public school. If you can't afford private school or can't home school your child and you don't allow them to attend public school then the child is truant. And that states governing body will be allowed to come in and take the child, which will then put them into the workforce.

Now, parents that are voting Republican listen up, when you attempt to take your child out of school, therefore affecting a workplace. Say your children want to unionize, that corperation will now have a way to sue you.

If you do not think this could happen this very much could. Corporate America has used your Religion (Christianity) to be able to utilize your children as cannon fodder.

And you blindly followed.