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[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Lune, i was sincere when I was asking why you don't charity as a subsidy of failure. if you still thinking on it that fine, just didn't want to see you dismiss it as troll or unfounded. it taken me probably a year and a half of concerted thought tagged into years of other considerations to arrive at my present conclusion. it not stray thought I adopted from dead men and while I confident in it, i not married to it. it speaks to a very bleak reality if it true, but I've long since learned that reason is indifferent and delivers uncomfortable truths as often as it does not.

Does the good fortune of your life circumstance weigh heavily in your belief? i mean do you look at your personal aptitude and accomplishments and attribute them in whole to the opportunities afforded by growing up financially well off? Do you deny yourself, your family and your upbringing any credit for the person you are? are you convinced that had you not been born into financial stability that it would have forever eluded you? what of your siblings?

I don't see charity as a subsidy of failure because there are so many damaging things about poverty that contribute to making it heritable, infectious, and persistent. This is established sociological fact. Also, basic income is not charity, it is for everyone, and I view it as a dividend for your part ownership of this nation's wealth as an American citizen. I disagree with the notion that money is the end-all be-all driver of self improvement, which is closely related. However, there is a lot more to it than that, culture is a big part of it, racism, etc, and it's the main reason why you can't just hand people money to get them out of poverty. But something like basic income goes a long way toward not only fixing the problem, but also saving the rest of society from some of the damage and blight of poverty.

I know for a fact I would be in a terrible position if it weren't for my upbringing, and the high expectations of my parents. I'm not an ambitious person. How successful somebody is is a combination of their inherent personal strength and upbringing.

Think of life like a marathon footrace. Everyone starts at different spots according to the opportunities given to them. Some people run really fast and some people run really slow. Some people are born a mile from the finish line (Donald Trump, George Bush) and still get passed by people born near the starting line (Steve Jobs, George Lucas, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett), because they are just so fucking fast. Given that I will never be as successful as my parents, I literally walked backwards, but I'm still further than hundreds of millions of people will ever get in their lifetime by virtue of inheritance alone.

I'll give you the example I gave in the other thread you never responded to:

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, exceptional individuals will often improve their station. However, the presence of opportunities, support, and pathways out of poverty not only make it easier for someone to climb out, but also help negate the deleterious effects poverty has on human capital. If you consider the opportunities I had being born rich, to my nephew who was born to a fat white trash druggie mother (drank alcohol while pregnant) and abusive absentee father, who the fuck do you think is going to grow into a more capable person 9 times out of 10? I had a fucking godlike education, excellent nutrition, an extensive support network, great healthcare, my parents paid for my bachelors. I would have to have been completely retarded not to "succeed". Compare that to if I grew up in poverty, and it would have been much more difficult.

Consider the US military, which is in many ways a welfare program for young males. All the myriad benefits that come from military service, including the GI bill, veterans preference points for countless occupations, professional development, occupational training, VA healthcare, etc etc, end up being a springboard out of poverty for many individuals.

I especially like the military example. The military pulls a LOT of people out of poverty, including my dad and my cousin.

My siblings are all fuckups except for my sisters, but being a woman is easy.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://meanlefthook.com/2017/03/dafu...s-chose-trump/

The rest, as they say, is history. And it may wind up leading to the complete destruction of the country.

WHOOO wahahaha UGHH UGHH *Disturbed band's lead vocalist growls at the UGH UGH part*

WHOOOOO WHAHAAH UGHH UGHHH


WHOOOO WAHAHAHA UGHHH UGHH



El garbo

[Lune]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WHOOO wahahaha UGHH UGHH *Disturbed band's lead vocalist growls at the UGH UGH part*

WHOOOOO WHAHAAH UGHH UGHHH


WHOOOO WAHAHAHA UGHHH UGHH



El garbo

great song great post fantastic vocalist it turns out

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

great song great post fantastic vocalist it turns out

my visceral reaction to having clicked and read the link.

words didn't cover it.

[Pokesan]

darwinian evolution doesn't apply to human society melon

smoke and ponder

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

darwinian evolution doesn't apply to human society melon

smoke and ponder

But the captains of industry said it did in the Texas-highschool textbooks.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had fun crashing my computer trying to click through the hyperlink to the sites main contact info, actual crash, browser hung. Anyway Ads + news = scum. I still believe (know) Bannon and Sessions are complete fascist dbags though (through their own actions and words, I do not need an outside news media to tell me that).



Butttttt!!!! How do we make Star Trek happen?!!! Don't we HAAVE to go through some dystopian horror shock which traumatizes us into being good little hoooomans?



Texas probably had better textbooks than most of the country... well some of Texas. Not going to speak for some of those weird communities full of Jehovah's witnesses.

In my school in rural hick town Florida I learned a lot of good things in history and econ - my teachers where A+. However, I was like, the only kid who paid attention.

Did you know that like, an actual prostitute sat on the thrown of Constantinople?



How very Christian of the crusaders! O.o

I consider Sir Steven Runciman a valid source for REAL news from the sacking of Constantinople! (actually I didn't bother to look up wikipedias citation) but these things don't matter with common knowledge, like Sir Steven Runciman's account.

I love huuuuu-mans.

Don't. Smoke. Meth.

[bigjerry]

darwinian evolution at its root is game theory that applies to any self replicating system. It's obfuscated under human consciousness in society (the selection pressures inducing death of an "organism" appear harder to understand) but it's still there and human ideologies definitely qualify. In fact this is part of the Lune argument re: poverty too, that it feeds a replicating blight. it's a nonsequitur, both parties already took it as a given cuz it is.

you could argue it aint Darwinian since he may not have understood this I guess, but ur the one bringing his name into this. really the fundamental thesis of darwinism applies to stuff from linguistics to systems of government and religion to bacterial colonies tho.

read some pre-aids dawkins get woke.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by bigjerry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

darwinian evolution at its root is game theory that applies to any self replicating system. It's obfuscated under human consciousness in society (the selection pressures inducing death of an "organism" appear harder to understand) but it's still there and human ideologies definitely qualify. In fact this is part of the Lune argument re: poverty too, that it feeds a replicating blight. it's a nonsequitur, both parties already took it as a given cuz it is.

you could argue it aint Darwinian since he may not have understood this I guess, but ur the one bringing his name into this. really the fundamental thesis of darwinism applies to stuff from linguistics to systems of government and religion to bacterial colonies tho.

read some pre-aids dawkins get woke.

https://archive.org/stream/Industria...festo_djvu.txt

Alarm clocks don't work, but condition.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by bigjerry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

darwinian evolution at its root is game theory that applies to any self replicating system. It's obfuscated under human consciousness in society (the selection pressures inducing death of an "organism" appear harder to understand) but it's still there and human ideologies definitely qualify. In fact this is part of the Lune argument re: poverty too, that it feeds a replicating blight. it's a nonsequitur, both parties already took it as a given cuz it is.

you could argue it aint Darwinian since he may not have understood this I guess, but ur the one bringing his name into this. really the fundamental thesis of darwinism applies to stuff from linguistics to systems of government and religion to bacterial colonies tho.

read some pre-aids dawkins get woke.

anything is anything if we wanna pretend words have whatever meaning suits us at the time