NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The nitty gritty of Biden bye-bye economics. There is no barber left who will shave all and only those who don't shave themselves.

Thanks Joe.

[Ripp]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Biden-Harris Administration Releases State-By-State Data on $39 Billion in Loan Forgiveness for 804,000 Borrowers as a Result of Fixes to Income-Driven Repayment Plans

Good Job Biden administration

Good how? Taxpayers will pick up the tab for something they didn't purchase. Yeah, great. Fantastic.

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[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone in Congress could object to the true electors and then Pence could choose to count the fake electors. Or at least that's what the Trump team was trying to convince him he had the authority to do, which he really didn't (whether or not someone in Congress objected).

It all hinged on that whole false idea that Pence had some power beyond ceremonial. Unfortunately for Trump, he and his team went beyond just trying to convince Pence to delay the count and certification...they created knowingly fraudulent slates of electors and tried to convince Pence to use those as ammo for why the election couldn't be certified for Biden. If they had just stopped at the step of telling Pence he had some non-ceremonial authority, I doubt you'd be seeing this eventual indictment. It's when they crossed into the territory of engaging in these over and deliberately fraudulent acts to subvert an election that they got into really hot water (separately it's also stunning to me that these guys knew what they were doing was illegal, but they created paper trail after paper trail about it...like if you know you're trying to subvert a free and fair election wouldn't you make sure nothing was put down in email, text message, etc.?).

At any rate, as a Republican I'm extremely happy this is all happening. Trump is a completely proven loser and almost nothing good has happened for my party since he came into the fold. He's caused us to lose left and right, especially on a federal level...even when we have a slim majority in the House it's completely dysfunctional because it's filled with nut jobs empowered by Trump who are more interested in whack job conspiracy theories than governing. Once Trump is convicted and jailed hopefully we can eventually get back to a better, more successful GOP!

Firstly, there were many objections and several (R) Senators sustained them.

That's new!

Back on point:

The VP 'presides' over the joint-body certification, much like the heads of each chamber in regular order.

If the Speaker of the House can choose not to floor bills at any time, and the Senate majority leader can choose not to floor bills at any time, doesn't it follow that the presiding officer of the certification hearing can choose to or not choose to as well?

The electors only become 'true' when the Congress votes for them to be so.

I could give you a list of all the (R) Senators that you want to kick out of your party but I think you're just pretending anyway so no.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Biden-Harris Administration Releases State-By-State Data on $39 Billion in Loan Forgiveness for 804,000 Borrowers as a Result of Fixes to Income-Driven Repayment Plans

Good Job Biden administration

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[Botten]

Originally Posted by Ripp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good how? Taxpayers will pick up the tab for something they didn't purchase. Yeah, great. Fantastic.

Shoveled the recession on the future generation and whining boomers or those better off need to pay?

Yeah I could careless.

Beside it just feeds into the American economy.
Unlike like trickle down economics that just makes the rich richer.

But the GOP politicians have been fooling their uneducated base for years with that nonsense.

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[Ooloo]

I agree if you took out a 100k loan to go get a retarded degree and then you can't get a job somebody else should pay for it! This is good and just.

Jk it's obviously completely unfair to the taxpayer and it's also not a small point that many of the people being offered student loan forgiveness are graduate students who at least got a somewhat better degree and can generally afford to pay them off. Forgiving debt isn't really any different than just handing you money over time. So joe blow the plumber gets money taken from him, and it goes to douchebag college brad #457572 who's probably working some white collar job and living in brooklyn. This is fair and good!

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree if you took out a 100k loan to go get a retarded degree and then you can't get a job somebody else should pay for it! This is good and just.

Jk it's obviously completely unfair to the taxpayer and it's also not a small point that many of the people being offered student loan forgiveness are graduate students who at least got a somewhat better degree and can generally afford to pay them off. Forgiving debt isn't really any different than just handing you money over time. So joe blow the plumber gets money taken from him, and it goes to douchebag college brad #457572 who's probably working some white collar job and living in brooklyn. This is fair and good!

Is that what Ben Shapiro told you lol

[Ripp]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shoveled the recession on the future generation and whining boomers or those better off need to pay?

Yeah I could careless.

Beside it just feeds into the American economy.
Unlike like trickle down economics that just makes the rich richer.

But the GOP politicians have been fooling their uneducated base for years with that nonsense.

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The first rule of Liberals: Deflect the discussion away from the indefensible.
The second rule of Liberals: Blame others for what you are doing or plan to do.

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[unsunghero]

I’ve been confused on the student loan stuff

We’re pretty far past covid. And this doesn’t work for any other bad investments people make and can’t pay back

It doesn’t work for past students, and it doesn’t work for future students. So one generation of students at a single point in history get a little help with a loan they can’t pay back. And blue collar workers can go fuck themselves. Well, after they donate to government via taxes for the loan help that doesn’t benefit them. Then they can go fuck themselves. The loan forgiveness that only helps a single generation of students right now

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve been confused on the student loan stuff

We’re pretty far past covid. And this doesn’t work for any other bad investments people make and can’t pay back

It doesn’t work for past students, and it doesn’t work for future students. So one generation of students at a single point in history get a little help with a loan they can’t pay back. And blue collar workers can go fuck themselves. Well, after they donate to government via taxes for the loan help that doesn’t benefit them. Then they can go fuck themselves. The loan forgiveness that only helps a single generation of students right now

The new version claims only 20 year payers are forgiven.

Probably not true but much more reasonable and a bit less crazy.