Best 4 person all caster/priest group - Page 191

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1901** 09-06-2022, 07:35 PM

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This has been provided to you many times now. If you teleported to a different dimension where the sky was red and took a picture then came back and said "Here look at my evidence" it doesn't make it valid evidence for the claim that you're making. You claimed the sky was red in this dimension. Your claim is about shaman dps in a fast killing chain pulling group with 2+ charm pets. Your evidence is you soloing a mob. How the jesus fuck can you not understand this?

If I do 50 DPS solo, and a group of 2x Enchanters does 170 DPS with two pets, then the total DPS of the group becomes 170 + 50 = 220 DPS. It is really that simple. The formulas for DPS do not change when you group.

It is up to you to prove why there are a bunch of random factors that will change the DPS for a Shaman specifically in the group, but would not affect the Mage in the same way.

You mentioned both players being OOM earlier, but you haven't provided the situation in which a Shaman would go OOM. Remember, a Torpor Shaman can recover mana faster.

PlsNoBan · #**1902** 09-06-2022, 07:38 PM

Thank god you aren't in the software field. Who needs to run tests? I can just predict the outcomes of all possible conditions in my head. What could possibly go wrong?

PlsNoBan · #**1903** 09-06-2022, 07:40 PM

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You mentioned both players being OOM earlier, but you haven't provided the situation in which a Shaman would go OOM. Remember, a Torpor Shaman can recover mana faster.

A torpor shaman cannot DPS while they regain mana aside from their measly pet dps. A mage provides fairly substantial dps while sitting down (and possibly afk or semi afk)

This is just one of MANY possible conditions your data does not account for

cyxthryth · #**1904** 09-06-2022, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I do 50 DPS solo, and a group of 2x Enchanters does 170 DPS with two pets, then the total DPS of the group becomes 170 + 50 = 220 DPS. It is really that simple. The formulas for DPS do not change when you group.

No. The problem is you seem to think we are discussing DPS formulas for some reason. We are not. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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It is up to you to prove why there are a bunch of random factors that will change the DPS for a Shaman specifically in the group, but would not affect the Mage in the same way.

No. You seemingly continue to ignore irrefutable facts, and/or you seemingly misunderstand or (intentionally or otherwise) are misconstruing your true understanding. You have simply provided irrelevant data as has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters. No further evidence is required - the posts are self-evident hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mentioned both players being OOM earlier, but you haven't provided the situation in which a Shaman would go OOM. Remember, a Torpor Shaman can recover mana faster.

Regardless of the reason for being OOM, it has been factually stated to you multiple times by multiple posters that a Mage's pet continues to deal its portion of the Mage's DPS when OOM, and you have seemingly ignored this irrefutable fact among countless others. I wonder why that might be hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1905** 09-06-2022, 07:42 PM

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Thank god you aren't in the software field. Who needs to run tests? I can just predict the outcomes of all possible conditions in my head. What could possibly go wrong?

Lol this is incorrect. I did run tests. I provided two videos, with logs that can be cross referenced to the videos. It shows the variability that occurs during combat. You are the one making the claim those tests are somehow invalid, and thus you need to provide evidence showing why that is.

So far you haven't provided anything other than the vague notion being in a group would drastically change the outcomes.

PlsNoBan · #**1906** 09-06-2022, 07:43 PM

Dude you are fucking braindead. I honestly don't even know what to say anymore.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1907** 09-06-2022, 07:44 PM

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Dude you are fucking braindead. I honestly don't even know what to say anymore.

You haven't been able to say anything of note for 200+ posts now. It isn't anything new.

cyxthryth · #**1908** 09-06-2022, 07:45 PM

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Lol this is incorrect. I did run tests. I provided two videos, with logs that can be cross referenced to the videos. It shows the variability that occurs during combat. You are the one making the claim those tests are somehow invalid, and thus you need to provide evidence showing why that is.

So far you haven't provided anything other than the vague notion being in a group would drastically change the outcomes.

The problem is your posts would seem to imply that you think certain irrefutable facts (which have been stated to you by mulitple posters, multiple times) are simply vague notions. They are not hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1909** 09-06-2022, 07:48 PM

Let me give you a simple example as to why your vague ideas aren't something we can easily quantify.

You can say a Shaman will go OOM more often, and thus have lower DPS. You haven't shown the situations where it would occur, but let's take it at face value.

I could say a Mage pet keeps dying because of charm breaks, and thus the Mage has lower DPS. I haven't shown the situations where it would occur, but let's take it at face value.

Both situations would drastically alter DPS, but it's difficult to quantify how often one would happen over the other. If you want to go down that route, both sides would need to provide hours of data that span multiple groups. Neither side has provided that data yet, and I doubt they will because it is too much work to do.

cyxthryth · #**1910** 09-06-2022, 07:57 PM

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Let me give you a simple example as to why your vague ideas aren't something we can easily quantify.

You can say a Shaman will go OOM more often, and thus have lower DPS. You haven't shown the situations where it would occur, but let's take it at face value.

I could say a Mage pet keeps dying because of charm breaks, and thus the Mage has lower DPS. I haven't shown the situations where it would occur, but let's take it at face value.

Both situations would drastically alter DPS, but it's difficult to quantify how often one would happen over the other. If you want to go down that route, both sides would need to provide hours of data that span multiple groups. Neither side has provided that data yet, and I doubt they will because it is too much work to do.

We can say the sky is red too. Irrelevant claims or irrelevant hypotheticals - whether true or not - are still irrelevant. The problem is you seem to think you're making a point, but you are not hehe. This really isn't hard. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]