Official Repop Day guild Kills

[kotton05]

Oh I see, lovely.

[kotton05]

Petition to get one toon banned haha how useless. There's a diff between crying and stating facts. Wasn't dumped on him from us. Sorry. Not buying it.

[goshozal]

I wasn't present for either Trak or VP yesterday. I was at work when the repop hit. I don't claim to have any knowledge of what actually went down in the clusterfuck race-fest that must have ensued. I'm new to TMO and the raiding scene. I don't have any pre-existing issues with anyone here.

That said:

It blows my mind that FE is claiming TMO is crooked and accusing them of training juggs at trak, while at the same time openly stating that they went into VP with no intent of killing any dragons, only for the purpose training TMO.

Do you really think you have some kind of moral high ground here?

-Maksim

[Taresh]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It blows my mind that FE is claiming TMO is crooked and accusing them of training juggs at trak, while at the same time openly stating that they went into VP with no intent of killing any dragons, only for the purpose training TMO.

Do you really think you have some kind of moral high ground here?

-Maksim

that question was so dumb it doesn't deserve an answer

here's a panda:

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[goshozal]

Originally Posted by Taresh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that question was so dumb it doesn't deserve an answer

I'm aware that the server rules are different in VP than anywhere else. However, I really don't see how someone can claim crooked play by trains while admitting that they went to train.

Like I said, I'm new. Please do educate me, Mr. Diggles.

-Maksim

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm aware that the server rules are different in VP than anywhere else. However, I really don't see how someone can claim crooked play by trains while admitting that they went to train.

Like I said, I'm new. Please do educate me, Mr. Diggles.

-Maksim

Training is not allowed anywhere but in VP. It is essential on this server to maintain dominance and/or accomplish anything in VP. This is the environment that FE has to deal with to break into VP, and this is the environment that reigned when TMO entered VP as well.

It would be nice if PEOPLE could come to an agreement such that this was not necessary, however that will not happen. Your guild controls VP and will not make any concessions that would in any way remove there ability to do so.

Its not about morals or ethics, it is about using whatever tactic possible within the set of rules that can achieve dominance. Unfortunately, rules are never perfect such that there are always ways to work within their grey areas. Training outside of VP happens because people think they can get away with it, and alot of times they do.

I dont think most people here are trying to degrade you, but at the same time you should not be so naive. Hope that helps.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is not allowed anywhere but in VP. It is essential on this server to maintain dominance and/or accomplish anything in VP. This is the environment that FE has to deal with to break into VP, and this is the environment that reigned when TMO entered VP as well.

It would be nice if PEOPLE could come to an agreement such that this was not necessary, however that will not happen. Your guild controls VP and will not make any concessions that would in any way remove there ability to do so.

Its not about morals or ethics, it is about using whatever tactic possible within the set of rules that can achieve dominance. Unfortunately, rules are never perfect such that there are always ways to work within their grey areas. Training outside of VP happens because people think they can get away with it, and alot of times they do.

I dont think most people here are trying to degrade you, but at the same time you should not be so naive. Hope that helps.

It is essential to accomplish anything in VP. So why didn't you bring in a raid force to accomplish something? Only VD in the past trained for no reason other than loot denial or griefing. Even IB didn't do that.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is not allowed anywhere but in VP. It is essential on this server to maintain dominance and/or accomplish anything in VP. This is the environment that FE has to deal with to break into VP, and this is the environment that reigned when TMO entered VP as well.

It would be nice if PEOPLE could come to an agreement such that this was not necessary, however that will not happen. Your guild controls VP and will not make any concessions that would in any way remove there ability to do so.

Its not about morals or ethics, it is about using whatever tactic possible within the set of rules that can achieve dominance. Unfortunately, rules are never perfect such that there are always ways to work within their grey areas. Training outside of VP happens because people think they can get away with it, and alot of times they do.

I dont think most people here are trying to degrade you, but at the same time you should not be so naive. Hope that helps.

Training needs to be legal in all raid zones (this means zones designed for raiding) and Trakanon lair (everything past the locked door).

Then things would balance out so lovely.

Next take away stupid large variance.

finally watch poopsocking fucking die the horrible fucking death that it needs to fucking die.

Go ahead, park 20 on spawn point while I run around with my army of battletoads, mother fucker, I dare you.

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is not allowed anywhere but in VP. It is essential on this server to maintain dominance and/or accomplish anything in VP. This is the environment that FE has to deal with to break into VP, and this is the environment that reigned when TMO entered VP as well.

It would be nice if PEOPLE could come to an agreement such that this was not necessary, however that will not happen. Your guild controls VP and will not make any concessions that would in any way remove there ability to do so.

Its not about morals or ethics, it is about using whatever tactic possible within the set of rules that can achieve dominance. Unfortunately, rules are never perfect such that there are always ways to work within their grey areas. Training outside of VP happens because people think they can get away with it, and alot of times they do.

I dont think most people here are trying to degrade you, but at the same time you should not be so naive. Hope that helps.

As the guild leader... I would think you would know by now... training in VP doesn't help you KILL anything in VP... it just delays TMO from killing EVERYTHING in VP... This was the mistake VD made before being run off the server by TMO.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't present for either Trak or VP yesterday. I was at work when the repop hit. I don't claim to have any knowledge of what actually went down in the clusterfuck race-fest that must have ensued. I'm new to TMO and the raiding scene. I don't have any pre-existing issues with anyone here.

That said:

It blows my mind that FE is claiming TMO is crooked and accusing them of training juggs at trak, while at the same time openly stating that they went into VP with no intent of killing any dragons, only for the purpose training TMO.

Do you really think you have some kind of moral high ground here?

-Maksim

lol?