TMO Proving they Ruin project1999 Raiding

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Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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i still need my monkey hide tunic and troll staff

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There should be legitimate outrage against TMO for attempting shit like this, and don't even think it can be reasonably argued that this thread was just the work of the same TMO haters that have always been around. You should know that new ones are being created everyday not only in those that experience this shit but in those like me who read about it.

TMO was not, as they would have you believe, competing against a rival guild under legitimate circumstances, but instead was trying to sneak around a much less powerful guild that had been camping a mob for 80 hours using what many would consider a loophole in the server ruleset.

TMO should consider itself lucky that they did not get FTE here, and as crazy as it sounds I wish they fucking did get it, because this sort of shit should not be excused just because it was not successful. The mere attempt to do something like this should be regarded as an affront to the community.

Signed - Svenn (someone who has no dog in the fight and is at this point a mere onlooker).



P.S. Before you try and spin the facts otherwise and if you really want to know the rationale behind my argument, read below:

1) the facts of the specific situation were that TMO knew FC was camping inny for 80 hours in order to get the next inny kill and TMO decided to try to get first to engage in order to get the loot from inny itself.
a) "first to engage" is a dubious rule which has led to many many confrontations because it is not known who got FTE until after the fight is over and involves GM intervention every time to get the loot transferred to the right person.
b) Therefore, TMO knew when it decided it would try to get inny via FTE that they were stepping on the toes FC who had been there many hours prior. TMO also knew that their attempt to get FTE, while within the rules of the server, was a douche bag move guaranteed to anger members of FC.

2) In general TMO has gotten a significant amount of the raid targets for the past 6-12 months of the server. On the other hand I can safely say that Full Circle has gotten much less than 1% of the raid targets in their entire existence. No disrepect to Full Circle, but they have proven to not be actual competition for TMO because they have minimal ability to mobilize, very little knowledge when raid mobs are due to pop, a much smaller member base, and a much more casual guild recruitment and value system.

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Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously FTE-offs while everyone is waiting on the spawn is not the way we want to play, but when 1 guild waits on a spawn it is unavoidable.

Lol might wanna talk with Alarti then since he believes you guys support a guild you just stated you wanna snipe FTEs from ( in addition to KS'ing mobs and locking the body which you did lol).

Alalalala TMO, mes amis.

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You bitches sound worse then the babies over on EQMac. Either compete, or don't. You are playing "classic" Everquest. Step up, find a new game, whatever you gotta do just stop with the whining already. Pathetic.

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You don't get it do you. The people of the server can step up and say what is an is not acceptable as far as raiding ethics go. EQ had a play nice policy, and although people seem to say that doesn't apply here, I believe Nilbog has a similar no dbag policy.

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this was literally the equivalent of enrolling in the special olympics as a athletic man of perfect mental condition

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Used trak loot to pick up a chick tonight, not going to lie.

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also grand prize of said special olympics is a one use cure for retardation.

TMO prevented a retarded person from being fixed. Good job, TMO, you fucking babykillers.

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Someone sounds jealous.

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Yeah to be serious for a minute here, I'm surprised you guys are this surprised. Sitting there for X amount of time doesn't entitle anyone to anything for this sort of thing. I'm sorry, I know a lot of you seem to think it should be otherwise because FC is new to the scene. I think it is really cool that FC is stepping up and taking what they want. They have a lot of solid people and have demonstrated some real tenacity. While I personally wish FC would play it our way - maybe camp and mobilize on spawn - I can't really hold a grudge for parking on the spawns because I know it's better chances of getting the mob. I also can't hold a grudge because we used to do the same thing. It's a means to an end and nobody's genuinely insulting anyone over it. However, I think you can understand that the moment you go park on a spawn like that, all bets are off. There's no leeway by the time it reaches that point if we don't want there to be - it doesn't matter who you are. I think most of FC understands this and have been pretty good sports about it; I hear the BDGays complaining the loudest and thus far I've had the same amicable relationship with FC that I always have in game. Hey I'm sorry it came to being really cutthroat for this mob for so fresh a guild, but there's plenty of early pops out there you guys can get a jump on easy if you want. It pleases me so much to see a new guild getting into the raiding scene stirring the pot that it's really win-win for me. I am genuinely happy to see you guys get some targets despite maybe losing them to you! Just do me a favor and don't go the way of BDA/VD and meet us out there with hate and animosity; meet us with a bow and a smile and maybe at the end of the day we can all be pals! =)