stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be foolish Alarti, I gave you statistics earlier and due to your inability to carry on an actual debate of facts instead of alarmist assertions, you ignored them and moved on. You use the 'I'm still waiting on those statistics' game to try and change the subject without admitting that you pull 'facts' out of your ass.

No... you gave me an opinion without the support of statistics. Just because you say something is true.... doesn't make it so.

99% of the world's population agrees with me (I.E.)

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No... you gave me an opinion without the support of statistics. Just because you say something is true.... doesn't make it so.

99% of the world's population agrees with me (I.E.)

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know I bucked your CNN talking points, but here is some info for you. Please let me know when I can receive my education on validating the authenticity of officially reported crime statistics and stats gathering. I look forward to your expert guidance. Thanks.

Crime rates and details for England:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...12?view=Binary

Changes in the way England reports crime statistics to baseline the numbers:
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN02607

More Parliament Crime Stats:
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN01940

General Commentary:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-a-decade.html
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...e-under-Labour
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning. I'll let you review the extensive credentials of the expert cited. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz2HiK5uz1n


US Crime Stats by Weapon Type / Circumstance:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...-data-table-11

[Alarti0001]

Nice must have missed these ill peruse them for you real quick

[vaylorie]

Now this is what I expect when debating a 15 year old McDonalds worker on a 1999 game forum. Good work Hitchens, you met and nearly exceeded expectations! I don't expect your hear that very often.

[Humerox]

From: Home Office Statistical Bulletin

Homicides are relatively rare events, and year-on-year variations need to be interpreted with some caution. A statistical analysis of trends (discussed in Section 1.6) indicates a significant reduction in homicides since 2007/08.


Next:

1. Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996
   
2. Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775
   
3. Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638
   (Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,095 US murders)
   
4. Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58
   (equivalent to 290 US murders)

[Alarti0001]

Lol did you even read these stats? Most of them refute your own claim. The one time over the course of many years the gun violence went up isnt an indication of your claim. That is what as known as an outlier.


Violent crime should be measure at the rate of crime incidents based on total population.

Example if you have a population of 100 with 1 violent crime that year and the next year you have 200 people with 2 crimes. That is not an increase in the crime rate. Even though it is a doubling of the total crime.

I'd suggest learning a bit about statistics before you let sensational media fool you.

First step is to verify the data collection process http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a...e-Systems.html

Second step look for the length of the data to make your comparison. Throw away outliers.

Third step Statistics!



Per 100k deaths the UK with stricter gun control laws has about 1 death, where the US has about 5 per 100k. The same goes for the other gun control laws in western europe. Compare first world countries for more accurate results as obvious developing and third world countries will have more violent crime by nature, (also more access to machine and assault weapons.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now this is what I expect when debating a 15 year old McDonalds worker on a 1999 game forum. Good work Hitchens, you met and nearly exceeded expectations! I don't expect your hear that very often.

I went and got some tacos because I figured your reply would be terrible and not worth putting off tacos to read.

I was right.

[OforOppression]

hitchens doubles that age and mows lawns, not mcdonalds

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From: Home Office Statistical Bulletin

Homicides are relatively rare events, and year-on-year variations need to be interpreted with some caution. A statistical analysis of trends (discussed in Section 1.6) indicates a significant reduction in homicides since 2007/08.


Next:

1. Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996
   
2. Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775
   
3. Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638
   (Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,095 US murders)
   
4. Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58
   (equivalent to 290 US murders)

Nobody is arguing if there is not more violent crime in the US vs. Britain, that proves nothing. They are different cultures and America is more of a violent culture by nature. None of this has anything to do with the impact on implemented gun regulations as was the previous question.

As per the actual conversation, isolated to Britain what was the impact on violent crime and murder as a result of a gun ban and increased gun regulation? The result, as shown in the data, is that violent crime increased as the population became unarmed. Hence, gun regulation does not solve a violent crime problem as I originally stated.

Learn to apply data to a conversation and not try to create a false argument with convenient facts.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol did you even read these stats? Most of them refute your own claim. The one time over the course of many years the gun violence went up isnt an indication of your claim. That is what as known as an outlier.


Violent crime should be measure at the rate of crime incidents based on total population.

Example if you have a population of 100 with 1 violent crime that year and the next year you have 200 people with 2 crimes. That is not an increase in the crime rate. Even though it is a doubling of the total crime.

I'd suggest learning a bit about statistics before you let sensational media fool you.

First step is to verify the data collection process http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a...e-Systems.html

Second step look for the length of the data to make your comparison. Throw away outliers.

Third step Statistics!



Per 100k deaths the UK with stricter gun control laws has about 1 death, where the US has about 5 per 100k. The same goes for the other gun control laws in western europe. Compare first world countries for more accurate results as obvious developing and third world countries will have more violent crime by nature, (also more access to machine and assault weapons.

Alarti... You just called this guy dumb. Let me tell you what is dumb, and sad.

its dumb that you never cease to shut your mouth, you live for and love arguing.

Now let me tell you what's sad... Lol. You just spent your Friday night reading a ton of statistics on a fucking Friday night just to further your argument. Dude fuckin pm me your address please, I want to send you a 100.00 bill so you can go out and get a piece of ass. Seriously I'm not kidding, I want to make your life happier dude, I got much love for you. Please pm me when you get a minute.