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[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you did pull it, you would have taken the first DT as well.

The first DT has nothing to do with pulling or not pulling CT. Did you take Alartis drugs?

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because TMO does things a certain way does not make it the only way. We had 2 guilds together (30+ people), we had a chance to pull it, we pulled it, and got fte. They rushed in and our bow tagger did not take a shot due to it. From now on if there is even the slightest question on FTE we will absolutely do damage to it.

If it was so legit, why did one of the guilds in your force denounce loot rights and duck out, as this was not the way they do things?

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was so legit, why did one of the guilds in your force denounce loot rights and duck out, as this was not the way they do things?

If one guild chooses to abandon a claim on loot based on FTE because 'it is not the way they do things', it is of no consequence to how FTE is itself determined and whether FTE was indeed attained.

[Zeelot]

Fennin ro had no set ruleset. It depended on what GM you got. Some said exp wins, some said FTE in different words, and others just didn't want to deal with it and made guilds /random 100 for first attempt prior to engage. The rules here currently are much more consistant than any experience I had on live.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fennin ro had no set ruleset. It depended on what GM you got. Some said exp wins, some said FTE in different words, and others just didn't want to deal with it and made guilds /random 100 for first attempt prior to engage. The rules here currently are much more consistant than any experience I had on live.

During the life of the server for sure. But Velious/Luclin was alot more xp based, in my memory. I didn't really raid much in early Kunark. Also, trains were almost never enforced as fraps wasnt around and GM's took forever to show up at a raid dispute.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

During the life of the server for sure. But Velious/Luclin was alot more xp based, in my memory. I didn't really raid much in early Kunark. Also, trains were almost never enforced as fraps wasnt around and GM's took forever to show up at a raid dispute.

You're probably right on this one. Velious will fix this particular aspect. Who's tank engaged it first? Who's chain of clerics kept him up? The mobs having considerable amounts of hp won't make them 5 second shitshows of dragon slapfights. New problems will arrive, however.

Pullers will be consistently fucking other pullers. Tormax / statue come to mind on this one especially. Sontalak /klandicar will also cause problems if they are pulled similar to what we see with outdoor dragons now.

Leapfrogging should be back in full effect and have new issues. Who clears the trash before vulak if it means they won't be prepared to engage vulak immediately with a guild on their ass?

These seem to be already covered, however, in the don't steal pulls and don't be a dick method of ruling, which GMs can do fairly well. I just wish we didn't have to be some kinda photojournalism faggots with fraps constantly to get things taken care of.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're probably right on this one. Velious will fix this particular aspect. Who's tank engaged it first? Who's chain of clerics kept him up? The mobs having considerable amounts of hp won't make them 5 second shitshows of dragon slapfights. New problems will arrive, however.

Pullers will be consistently fucking other pullers. Tormax / statue come to mind on this one especially. Sontalak /klandicar will also cause problems if they are pulled similar to what we see with outdoor dragons now.

Leapfrogging should be back in full effect and have new issues. Who clears the trash before vulak if it means they won't be prepared to engage vulak immediately with a guild on their ass?

These seem to be already covered, however, in the don't steal pulls and don't be a dick method of ruling, which GMs can do fairly well. I just wish we didn't have to be some kinda photojournalism faggots with fraps constantly to get things taken care of.

Its easy guilds work between themselves. If guild A is in HoT farming and guild B opens the door to grief them. Guild B will have to deal with a bunch of pissed of Guild A griefers.
It promotes cooperation due to the possibility of interference and mutual destruction.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its easy guilds work between themselves. If guild A is in HoT farming and guild B opens the door to grief them. Guild B will have to deal with a bunch of pissed of Guild A griefers.
It promotes cooperation due to the possibility of interference and mutual destruction.

Not everyone likes spending their weekends being griefed or griefing in retaliation. Some people want to play to have fun in the PvE world and not deal with other people's entitlement issues.

Red99 is wide open.

[Zeelot]

Xp = loot is a very bad idea and should not be allowed unless every zone is FFA like VP so I can train your KS group.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Xp = loot is a very bad idea and should not be allowed unless every zone is FFA like VP so I can train your KS group.

exactly. training is on the raid page, so there would be no training rule in raiding.


Leave raiding and politics up to the guilds involved, not overseers.