KSing can not be catered to, or rewarded

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm showing you an example of a proper fraps. None of this 8 second stuff taken out of context.

On July 15, 2012, BDA pulled Draco with a train and had uncontrolled mobs in their camp on the SWWall. TMO was positioned a bit north of BDA on the WWall. Using the logic displayed by BDA in the previous posts of this thread, TMO would have been in the right to pull Draco off BDA since it was pulled closer to TMO's camp instead of BDA's camp and due to the additional BDA mobs. TMO was called to camp instead. BDA then proceeded to wipe to their uncontrolled train that accompanied Draco and stuff that was already in BDA's camp when the pull started. BDA completely disregarded Ambrotos' ruling and the spirit of the ruling.

How are the BDA people running around with trains on them on July 15, 2012, any different your 26 second and 8 second fraps?

Do you agree or not that TMO would have been in the right to pull Draco off BDA and kill it on July 15, 2012?

It shouldn't be a prerequisite to have a permanent cameraman running gigs and gigs of fraps to raid on this server. It's patently absurd, but that's an entirely different conversation.

I think these instances differ due to the fact that the camps are basically right next to each other. On the 7/19 encounter BDA was on west wall and TMO was east of the portal, basically separated by the portal hill. Those are markedly different camps imo as opposed to two guilds sitting on west wall only a few feet from each other.

The spirit of the ambrotos rule was to avoid the kiting of mobs indefinitely which trivializes raid content (I guess even more so since they're already pretty easy as is) and usually creates "accidents" when guilds are competing for targets. The specific portion of that rule said that you can pull targets, but only a short distance.

In fact when the rule was first implemented we (BDA) would engage draco in the graveyard because we were following the rule to a T. At one point we broke fear, TMO followed us in (as usual, you always let us break, but whatever - another conversation for another day as well) and pulled draco to west wall as we finished clearing the area and took the kill. After that ambrotos clarified that pulling a short distance was acceptable.

I'm honestly tired of having these conversations on every single encounter. Increase the peace imo.

[Phatso]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMD6k6Pnnw

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Increase the peace imo.

ROFL! Did Chest really just advocate peace?!?! Your forums are littered with anti-peace statements. You cray.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest, you mad because your Amelinda is no longer your GM on a leash? Do you still text her before raids?

Anyway, between Jarn (who was the lead officer on that particular raid), Sanluen, Shinko, and you, you ALWAYS have fraps ready to go. Why? Because you never wanted amicable relations with TMO; because you hate TMO; because all of you are hungry wolves for what you perceive was taken from you (number 1 spot on server) when TMO rolled in from F'Ro; because you are hypocrites; because you don't want even your definition of competition.

You want "top dawg status," especially you, Chest. You always cried to Knix about how Sanluen couldn't handle being BDA GL and how you were the reason the guild survived. Now that VD has increased your numbers, you no longer have to think about a "splinter guild" with you at the helm, but how much longer before you begin to feel the urge to splinter into a "special ops" guild of your own so you and your other fallen can be the type of people you try so hard hiding to be? You're a real shitbag. I'm amazed that your fellow leaders keep you around, but maybe part of that "shitbagness" runs in their veins as well.

Confirmed Chest having sex with Amelinda

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[arsenalpow]

gdi jarn, what's the point of me having nietche on ignore if you're going to quote his shit???

[Autotune]

BDA mad, claims BotB is decided by zerg tactics lol.

Here's a clue retards, the guild with the best entrant will win the botb. That's kinda the fucking point.

I don't care how many scrubs BDA signs up, the best man from the best guild (or unguild) will win.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think these instances differ due to the fact that the camps are basically right next to each other. On the 7/19 encounter BDA was on west wall and TMO was east of the portal, basically separated by the portal hill. Those are markedly different camps imo as opposed to two guilds sitting on west wall only a few feet from each other.

These instances differ because TMO did not pull Draco off you on July 15, even though based on the reasoning provided in this thread by BDA officers, TMO would have been well within our right to do so.

They also differ because TMO did not take the server law into its own hands like BDA did on July 19 wherein BDA assumed TMO was kiting and KS'd Draco even though TMO had FTE.

Strangely enough neither of the fraps your guild members presented show where the TMO camp was situated.

The spirit of the ambrotos rule was to avoid the kiting of mobs indefinitely which trivializes raid content (I guess even more so since they're already pretty easy as is) and usually creates "accidents" when guilds are competing for targets. The specific portion of that rule said that you can pull targets, but only a short distance.

So because you eventually wiped to the train of mobs that was being kited and ping-ponged on July 15, that was okay because it did not trivialize the content? All those BDA mobs on July 15 indeed caused accidents as evidenced by the fraps I posted.

I'll ask again. Based on previous logic of BDA officers in this thread would not TMO have been right to kill the July 15 Draco? Did not BDA kite mobs before and after Draco on July 15? Did not BDA lose control of said mobs after Draco on July 15? Did not BDA break Ambrotos' ruling about kiting and uncontrolled mobs? Did not BDA break the spirit of Ambrotos' ruling by getting other people killed due to BDA's uncontrolled mobs and trains on July 15?

It shouldn't be a prerequisite to have a permanent cameraman running gigs and gigs of fraps to raid on this server. It's patently absurd, but that's an entirely different conversation.

You should most definitely have at least a couple people running fraps on any raid, whether you think an incident will occur or not. It helps you grow as a player/guild to perfect strategies, placement, timings, and routes, among other things, such as bug reports and petitions.

[Jarnauga]

Lots of these mobs on your fraps were from TMO.

[Thana8088]

Holy shit I have made it into someone's sig! <3

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Thanks for showing that on 4/20/11 (woohoo go me), I was doing my job! You know that no-one gives a shit that I was previously in BDA except BDA, right?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These instances differ because TMO did not pull Draco off you on July 15, even though based on the reasoning provided in this thread by BDA officers, TMO would have been well within our right to do so.

They also differ because TMO did not take the server law into its own hands like BDA did on July 19 wherein BDA assumed TMO was kiting and KS'd Draco even though TMO had FTE.

Strangely enough neither of the fraps your guild members presented show where the TMO camp was situated.

So because you eventually wiped to the train of mobs that was being kited and ping-ponged on July 15, that was okay because it did not trivialize the content? All those BDA mobs on July 15 indeed caused accidents as evidenced by the fraps I posted.

I'll ask again. Based on previous logic of BDA officers in this thread would not TMO have been right to kill the July 15 Draco? Did not BDA kite mobs before and after Draco on July 15? Did not BDA lose control of said mobs after Draco on July 15? Did not BDA break Ambrotos' ruling about kiting and uncontrolled mobs? Did not BDA break the spirit of Ambrotos' ruling by getting other people killed due to BDA's uncontrolled mobs and trains on July 15?

You should most definitely have at least a couple people running fraps on any raid, whether you think an incident will occur or not. It helps you grow as a player/guild to perfect strategies, placement, timings, and routes, among other things, such as bug reports and petitions.

i'm not even going to respond to every one of those point by point because now you're framing the situation to suit your mindset

each situation was different, not acknowledging that it's ridiculous - and by acknowledge i mean more so than saying "well here tmo didn't steal draco and here bda did" because you've already decided how you feel about

in my opinion we presented evidence showing TMO training mobs (which was against the ambrotos doctrine) and your puller bringing draco to our camp as opposed to the TMO camp which was on the other side of the hill

in my opinion you presented evidence showing BDA pulling draco plus a bunch of adds and then bda attempting to down all the adds for 7+ minutes

obviously we aren't going to agree on the presented information so i don't really feel like addressing anymore allegation and/or twisted facts