Bob's Perfect World- A wall of text regarding the raid scene on P99

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you say it is unfair? Put the time in and even the score. You get in what you put in. For 48 hours, people have their characters sitting in those zones doing nothing. no one says that other guilds can not do the same. Personally, I like to play, I have RL friends that I group with and we have a ball, but I got a life beyond the pixels, especially with SWTOR coming down the pipe. It is what it is and if its harshing your buzz, step away man.

Like I said, you just have to experience it before you can comment on whether it's unfair. I can tolerate a few deviations from the classic experience here and there, but it's just unreasonable to REQUIRE people to invest so much time in the game to access some of the higher raid content, when the required commitment in classic was not nearly bad.

[wrxBRAH]

Bobs idea works. If you're going to have a Play nice policy and bs like first to engage here, shouldnt it work for any guild clearing trash to get to the boss? Let the vultures fight it out and eventually they'll form a pecking order imo.

These guilds play for loot and if they cant have loot, they'll start to reconsider the way they behave with each other.

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by Dr4z3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like I may regret even replying to this post, but I feel the need to say it:

Should have listened to my intuition.

[Vohl]

So how does saying someone is a servant not imply that they have some sort of obligation? (For that matter, how does drawing this conclusion make someone an ignorant liberal?) The only unreasonable posts I'm seeing here are the ones that look like they belong in RnF.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you say it is unfair? Put the time in and even the score. You get in what you put in. For 48 hours, people have their characters sitting in those zones doing nothing. no one says that other guilds can not do the same. Personally, I like to play, I have RL friends that I group with and we have a ball, but I got a life beyond the pixels, especially with SWTOR coming down the pipe. It is what it is and if its harshing your buzz, step away man.

I think what you're not getting is why the 4 day variance was introduced in the first place.

It was initially brought up as a way to combat the stinky sock that made an introduction during the very early days of the server. Though it only happened rarely and wasn't a very large problem, it was nevertheless thought of as a potential issue. A 4 day window was thought to be long enough to combat anyone sitting on any particular spawn in order to essentially camp rights to that mob. Nobody in their right minds thought that people would be big enough douchemonkeys to actually sit there for 4+ days -- in fact that was in the rules, though i'm pretty sure they didn't use the word 'douchemonkeys'. Needless to say, people didn't hesitate to fill their socks, regardless of it essentially being a loophole in the rules. Actually, ever since the 4 day windows were introduced poopsocking has become the norm whenever there is competition for a high valued target. Basically the 4 day window did nothing but fill more socks and hasn't contributed to the health of the server whatsoever and to boot it's something that live never had. People can argue that you need 4 day windows to ease up on GM involvement and petitions but i'm pretty damn sure that doesn't matter anymore (see uthgaard's recent posts). By now people should have realized that poopsock has nothing to do with variance and variance has nothing to do with poopsock, which essentially means it's useless.

It still lingers here, like an ancient relic of shitty player decisions that ultimately got enforced by GMs.

[CrotchCricket]

the point was made in the context of the fact they're not administrators of the server for themselves. If you volunteer to have a responsiblility, then you DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION!!!! You can't use the fact that you're volunteering as a crutch to not have obligation...either they have it or don't...in which case if they don't owe us anything then don't expect your petition to be answered. The point is they signed up for what they're doing...and we're free to criticize as we please. And who really cares what section threads are posted under...if you don't like what you're reading, then stop fucking reading good god, you people want everything to be peachy fucking clean....do any of you fucks live with rest of us in this world???? I'm so sick of morons only reading part of the point and making their own judgments without fully informing themselves. We say words like fuck, we don't all wipe our asses totally clean, scratches our balls and wipe our mouths....and guess what we're your neighbor, your nephew and possibly that ugly little seed you're breeding!!!

Peace,
The Props

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by CrotchCricket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah you should have, infact why dont you just unsubscribe and cancel your account seeing as how tho you have nothing of substance for input. And now i may be stretching it, but uh oh yeah go fuck yourself

Enough. This isn't RnF

[Vohl]

I'm honestly surprised this thread hasn't been moderated recently.

Without admins, none of this exists. Without any 20 of the rest of us, the sun rises and sets, same as ever. There are fewer than 20 of us who are ranting and flaming. I haven't seen anything involving the server operation that smacks of hypocrisy. There were a lot of cheaters that got let off easier than the majority of forum members wanted. Once a bit more server and client tweaking is done, they are unlikely to cheat again. That should be the start and end of the matter.

Does anyone care to talk baseball?

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

It doesn't necessarily mean they will act like adults Bob, I think you give too much credit to the online factor in the gaming community. "Adults" can also force children to share. Treating a child like an adult isn't the best solution and most of these people despite their age act like children in regards to in game conduct. "Adults" long ago worked out standing in lines, waiting your turns at traffic lights, appointments, reservations and any number of things to make things go smoother and to avoid conflict or trouble. So we try to teach our children by making them share, making them wait their turn, make them do their homework before play etc etc. If they're children and their actions prove little else force them to wait in line force them to share.

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing is, it would make sense for the top guilds to agree to a rotation because they'd get more mobs per minute that they spend playing the game, and would probably have more time to enjoy the game, level their alts, or just go outside.

What makes you think I want to do anything in this game besides kill dragons? Unless of course it's a naggy/vox alt I'm making.. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With a rotation I'm killing a whole lot less # of dragons every week. Me and most people who are used to raiding almost every night for dragons would probably just quit. Leveling alts isn't really what I've ever played EQ for.