Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Ring]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that some were not flagged Shiftin to say they all were not hit is possible but who knows? Were some simply not caught? Again just speculation but possible. Did they claim to only use it on ez server for those accounts? Heck more and more pure speculation from this point of view. What I was saying was these are ways you could use these programs to gain a clear advantage. You will forgive me if I do not give the benefit of the doubt because it wasn't long ago your people were screaming that it was pure skill and being better then everyone else in fair competition which is why they were getting so many mobs. While there certainly is something to that saying none of your bards were flagged might be true what about the monks? Knowledge is power and if people who are leading and directing have that knowledge I don't care that people in the raid aren't 'using'. That information gives distinct advantages.

I honestly believe because it has proven true throughout time that the surface was scratched. So when people say ' we only cheated this much or benefited it from it this much' I know there is more under the surface and it was much bigger then any of us are aware. But us claiming cheats were just wearing tin foil hats right? And here is another question.

If everyone is cheating by using these programs but only some are using it to get rich which is the greater wrong? If some guy is using showeq playing 3 hours a week and only using macros to tradeskill he isn't really affecting anyone even though he is cheating. It changes when you have a raid guild who is 'dominating' and then this hits. It wasn't like TRmember_00 was found in gukbottom to be cheating so TR gets raid suspended. No, knowing what the history is and the punishment was your raid leader was one found to be using it and granted not the only one. And you expect to be dealt with more favorably?

I am not saying you guys have 'no life' and all that kid insult crap. I am saying that your continued 'dominance' on this server in regards to raid mobs more and more seems a hollow achievement. Every time you have been 'threatened' you try any and everything to out the other guy down. And you honestly expect anyone to give the benefit of the doubt now? Every thing people say you give the 'tin foil' hat nonsense. Of course there are skilled and dedicated members in TR. Of course people bust their ass. Of course not everyone flagged was some scumbag hacking everything to make sure TR got raid mobs. But you can't stand there and defend anything now, the benefit of the doubt was lost if it ever existed. Your talk of an even playing field and fair competition is laughable. Most every guild had people flagged just to show how widespread the problem is and how apparently ineffectual the deterrent is. Is it just another coincidence the only 'raid leader' type to get hit was the 'top raid guild'?

As raid leaders go in this game they carry much influence and directly impact how well their guild raids and as a result are the driving force behind how successful the guild ends up being as far as raids. The same can be said for the top guilds on servers. As they go the server goes. And the direction this server has taken can be directly linked to TR or IB or whatever else. Maybe it was Fish Bait or Transcendence at first I wasn't here and neither were you. But the fact of the matter is for a long time IB and TR have been in a leading position to help move this server in a positive direction and it has gone the opposite. And it is apparent that any means necessary legal or otherwise have been employed for how long?

Are we to believe that these programs were never used to gain an edge? That everyone on the server is just jealous and none of them have any clue about what they are talking? That TR is the only guild with veterans from live or people who know this game or of what they speak when it comes to mechanics and plausibility? We are all just ignorant right? Of course there are people who are jealous and mistaken. But to say that everyone wears tin foil hats now, perhaps you are wearing them.

How did you get away with using MQ2 / SEQ on your account? That's probably how the TR tracker accounts did it too.

[Banditfist]

Shaere is the only person on my ignore list. There is no reasoning with him in game. And now here....you make assumptions to meet your arguments. Sounds a lot like that sociopath better known as Uthgaard.

Your arguments are invalid unless you are calling for all guilds to not be able to raid. You are singling out that Perun was an officer and making the assumption that showEQ gave TR and advantage. An advantage to a class that did not pull raid targets.

Your only possible argument can be that in the past they were permanent bans. Rogean and the staff decided to be equal to all 365 accounts the exact same THIS ONE TIME. You are trying to extend that to a specific guild.

[Azzbad]

Originally Posted by Banditfist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaere is the only person on my ignore list. There is no reasoning with him in game. And now here....you make assumptions to meet your arguments. Sounds a lot like that sociopath better known as Uthgaard.

Your arguments are invalid unless you are calling for all guilds to not be able to raid. You are singling out that Perun was an officer and making the assumption that showEQ gave TR and advantage. An advantage to a class that did not pull raid targets.

Your only possible argument can be that in the past they were permanent bans. Rogean and the staff decided to be equal to all 365 accounts the exact same THIS ONE TIME. You are trying to extend that to a specific guild.

Monks don't pull raid targets?

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Azzbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks don't pull raid targets?

monks split, bards pull.

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Azzbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks don't pull raid targets?

Bad monks don't pull.

[Ektar]

starklen what up PAL?!

[Feachie]

monks are expendable imo

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

A month ago telling one of you that hundreds of people here cheated would've got a tin foil lawl response. Claiming TR or Perun (who seems to be the A-rod or Roger Clemens for this Mitchell report) was cheating would've gotten a tin foil hat response because they were simply just better and more prepared. The fact of the matter they obviously are not the only guild to have members tagged flagged recently. They're just the ones who were screaming they played fair and were simply better then everyone else. they were honest, rule-abiding and everyone was just paranoid and jealous. And then rubbed it into everyone's face when they pulled or got away with whatever they did and ensured no one but them could enjoy this game. I doubt we have uncovered half the truth in this and probably will never know. I imagine as time passes we will see and hear more to prove it wasn't all just tin foil hats. There will always be jealousy and I have no doubt some of that fuels all this anti TR response but how can you be surprised at the response? Were you surprised at how Barry Bonds was treated yet the guy who also used just to make the minor league team was not treated the same?

Call me unreasonable but you can't call me the cheater. You can't call me the one who compromises the integrity of this server. You can't call me the one who posts anonymously and hides. You can't call me the one who backs down from whatever I believe is right and does only what benefits me at the expense of the other 90 percent of the server. The notion that monks don't pull therefore any cheating a monk did didn't affect anything is ignorant at best. The claim that raid leaders no matter the guild that cheat don't have any bearing on their raid's success is bullshit. Believing that this is the iceberg and not the tip of the iceberg is laughable. I personally believe TR would be a powerful raid guild without anyone cheating or pulling anything. But the fact remains they do whatever is necessary and have been rubbing it in peoples faces.
I do not believe it is a stretch to think on ways cheating would benefit them because let's face it they've been benefiting and it isn't a reach to say less then scrupulous methods assisted them. How can you not be angered at the revelation that the ones who were stepping on the throats of anyone who dared to go for their raid mobs using whatever methods they could find were doing worse for an unknown period of time? How can you trust or give any benefit of the doubt?

But yeah I'm the unreasonable one. At least you can't call me the cheating one.

[Starklen]

G13 is one of those guys that highlighted the entire page of the textbook when he was trying to study and then sold it back to the bookstore for the next sucker to use.

[Morlaeth]

Originally Posted by Starklen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

G13 is one of those guys that highlighted the entire page of the textbook when he was trying to study and then sold it back to the bookstore for the next sucker to use.

so was shaere