Best Trio That Doesn't Use Enchanter

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love my paladin but you do realize that you’ve got 58 long level to complete before it even enters the equation right

So what? That's what was being discussed. People are trying to talk about how much Mend heals on a 60 Monk.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if we are only considering the end game … well by then the shaman has torpor (doesn’t stack with celestial cleansing)

Torpor reduces DPS. If that's even the healer the group has. Bard/Monk/Cleric has been argued as a top choice.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The beauty of mend is not for the average hp healed over time - it is that it is instant and available on a short refresh timer. When you do, an emergency instant heal is better than a heal over time. Yes … paladins do have LoH … but how long is the refresh on that again?

If you only need Mend in an "emergency" then it's not that often and Lay Hands does the job better. Paladins have superior healing for a more direct heal as well, which actually works on other party members.

It's crazy to argue that Mend is better than having an entire mana bar and set of heals to work with.

[zelld52]

If a monk has 5k HP, mend does 1.25k HP heal.

Every 6 minutes, no mana, no reagent. No cast time. Shit monk can even mend while feigned death. The only downside is that it's self only.

Zura I can't help but think you have little experience on a monk.

[Snaggles]

6 mins of standing mana regen on a paladin with c2 will let you cast just over 3 celestial cleansing for free. Averaging 4 and 5 tick heals, that’s 2475hps. Assuming a Reaver pally to a Tstaff monk the dps isn’t equivalent but picking up a generic ToV 2h the gap closes a bit on blue cons.

I still think monk is the answer but less of a default or requirement. Swap out the necro for a mage and the dps average over the necro makes up for the monk to knight handicap.

Or just roll with the three classes people want to play since the game isn’t that hard.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6 mins of standing mana regen on a paladin

while levelling paladin dont get celestial cleansing. monk get mend at level 1.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6 mins of standing mana regen on a paladin with c2 will let you cast just over 3 celestial cleansing for free. Averaging 4 and 5 tick heals, that’s 2475hps. Assuming a Reaver pally to a Tstaff monk the dps isn’t equivalent but picking up a generic ToV 2h the gap closes a bit on blue cons.

I still think monk is the answer but less of a default or requirement. Swap out the necro for a mage and the dps average over the necro makes up for the monk to knight handicap.

Or just roll with the three classes people want to play since the game isn’t that hard.

Enchanters are banned in this thread. Please sit down (and med ur pal).

[Toxigen]

Even a paladin with a 100k plat advantage in items aint gonna keep up with a monk.

[Jimjam]

Didn’t realise bards can cast c2. Fair play zu.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn’t realise bards can cast c2. Fair play zu.

C'mon, you're not this daft. They have Cantata of Replenishment, and can pump even more mana than that if they want to.

[Vexenu]

Yeah, I'm a big advocate for Paladins, but the Monk is clearly better with Shm/Nec. You can talk about throwing a Paladin in a non-Enchanter trio if you also throw in a Bard for mana regen (hence my earlier suggestion of PAL/BRD/DRU). But at that point you really can't call it a power trio, just one with fairly good synergy with a lot of room to play around and experiment.

[PatChapp]

Mend is rediculously powerful