Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This doesn't work for me.

One of the best warriors on the server here, folks.

Case closed. Aint nobody got time for weapon swapping except for the turbo-nerd monks.

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the best warriors on the server here, folks.

Case closed. Aint nobody got time for weapon swapping except for the turbo-nerd monks.

I got an extra 200 damage in though. My guild leader loves me.

[skulldudes]

option 1) actively weapon swap for ? more dps; nobody notices or even gives a shit regardless lol

option 2) take it ez, eat some snacks, rip ur bong, pet ur puppies and/or kitties while you perform the exact same in-game function [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I legit couldn't turn attack off, take 2h out, swap in inventory with offhand, equip that, then swap back without missing a 2h attack

Keep bag open next to weapon slots on hotkey panel. Immediately after primary attack, click off auto and that weapon, replace with the offhand weapon sitting right next to it, press the offhand attack key, then immediately reswap to the primary weapon and turn auto attack on.

Even when max hasted there's over 2 seconds to do it. You could practice with a higher delay 2H or maybe less haste to start with.

Not using auto attack at all is also possible. Can manually hit the main hand attack button until it happens, then do the swap. That could help in giving a better feel for the swap timing, instead of waiting for the auto attack to timer to pop on the primary attack swing and needing to turn auto attack on/off.

Originally Posted by skulldudes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody notices or even gives a shit regardless lol

Any DPS log notices, and I absolutely noticed in 1999 when the best Warriors were doing this. It's certainly easier to do without max haste, but still completely possible even then, and WILL significantly change what a given character is able to accomplish. People have complained about Warriors not being able to get aggro well enough. Guess what, if you are doing significantly more DPS, you're going to be building aggro better.

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now epic REDUCES fist damage, but only when clicking 2hander off.

Epic reduces base fist damage in any case, setting it to 9 instead of 14 (for a Level 60 monk). The epic greatly increases the attack speed of fists, but that's irrelevant for the "2-hander dual wield" method. Hence, having epic equipped reduces a Monk's maximum possible DPS, at least when they are already buffed with the Ranger +ATK buff, which doesn't stack with the epic +ATK buff.

[enjchanter]

All I've learned so far is that even the sweetiest most complex rotation in p99 is basically just pressing 2 buttons and clicking ur mouse

[Gloomlord]

This really isn't a game where milliseconds count for something, apart from Bard doing an AoE kite.

[Troxx]

Zuranthium, you are just wrong.

My 2hs is 43 delay - works out to a swing every 2.15 seconds properly hasted.

2 seconds is not a long time.

There is no way anyone can reliably turn off attack, weapon swap from an open bag … hit … swap back and get that next swing in any given round. Much less do it over and over and over and over and over while fighting. Every missed mainhand swing opportunity is a lost 42/43 swing that can triple attack and has that sweet ass 2h damage bonus. Never mind missed chances to proc a dd stun.

You’re wrong.

Period.

You’d be better off pulling the monk trick for an offhand punch for negligible damage. At least then you wouldn’t miss out on mainhand swings


Edit: even if it were possible it ain’t worth the 99.99999% constant clicking to make the marginal gains even close to worthwhile.

Now if we had, say, a 120/120 2 hander … that would be more realistic. Even then fuck all that clicking just to get an extra offhand attack in between rounds. Offhand dps is ass.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zuranthium, you are just wrong.

My 2hs is 43 delay - works out to a swing every 2.15 seconds properly hasted.

2 seconds is not a long time.

There is no way anyone can reliably turn off attack, weapon swap from an open bag … hit … swap back and get that next swing in any given round. Much less do it over and over and over and over and over while fighting. Every missed mainhand swing opportunity is a lost 42/43 swing that can triple attack and has that sweet ass 2h damage bonus. Never mind missed chances to proc a dd stun.

You’re wrong.

Period.

You’d be better off pulling the monk trick for an offhand punch for negligible damage. At least then you wouldn’t miss out on mainhand swings


Edit: even if it were possible it ain’t worth the 99.99999% constant clicking to make the marginal gains even close to worthwhile.

Now if we had, say, a 120/120 2 hander … that would be more realistic. Even then fuck all that clicking just to get an extra offhand attack in between rounds. Offhand dps is ass.

And if you have high ping, like me, this is even more of a bad idea.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My 2hs is 43 delay - works out to a swing every 2.15 seconds properly hasted.

2 seconds is not a long time.

There is no way anyone can reliably turn off attack, weapon swap from an open bag … hit … swap back and get that next swing in any given round. Much less do it over and over and over and over and over while fighting.

Plenty of people are capable. Competitive gamers constantly do more complex inputs than this.

If you're not able to do 5 mouse clicks while barely needing to move the mouse each time in 2+ seconds, that is your own lacking ability.

Doing it constantly without messing up is the harder part, for sure. Like I was talking about, not using auto attack at all is going to be easier for a lot of people. You'll essentially slow down your primary attack very slightly that way, but that's worthwhile if it means performing the sequence correctly, because getting the offhand attacks in is more DPS total. You could also just weapon swap every other attack round, to give yourself the mental/physical space to execute it. That would still be a net benefit.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you wipe on a raid because every melee wasn’t swapping out 2h for < 1 dps, you prob deserved to wipe anyway.

Offhand damage is far more than 1 dps and it's especially relevant for maximizing DPS at the levels where there's less mainhand damage boost. That's why it was especially noticeable in 1999 when the best Warriors were swapping off their Executioner's Axe and doing offhand attacks inbetween.

[7thGate]

I'm counting 2 button presses and 6 mouse clicks, which is around 240 APM. That's doable, but at StarCraft professional levels to sustain. More people can burst that high, but I'm not one of them; I cap out at 150 or so and can only sustain around 100 max.