sk starting points

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I use a weapon that does 25 dps unbuffed and 20 str gives me 16% more damage - now I’m doing 29dps (a 4 dps difference).

If I am using my Greatspear of Dawn which gives me 65dps white damage unbuffed and 20 more strength gives me 16% more damage - that would give me 75.4 dps (a 10.4 dps difference)

The weapon you are using affects baseline dps ….

You do understand that you havent actually shown a 16% DPS difference with great spear of dawn when removing 20STR, right?

You are literally pulling this out of thin air. You haven't provided a parse.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do understand that you havent actually shown a 16% DPS difference with great spear of dawn when removing 20STR, right?

You are literally pulling this out of thin air. You haven't provided a parse.

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[Lune]

Yea this got brought up on like page 3 and beyond. Don't you know you might be able to cast another lifetap or two at 60?

Kinda regretting putting as much stam as I did into my current dark elf lol

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea this got brought up on like page 3 and beyond. Don't you know you might be able to cast another lifetap or two at 60?

Kinda regretting putting as much stam as I did into my current dark elf lol

i still dont cap on my dark elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] in a piece or 2 i will but still took while. let me magelo

edit: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Mintmochi_new

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I made a 1 handed video with the turtle:

This is using Frostwrath at 34% worn haste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ouLQOBAoE

Test 01 - At 231 STR, I did 39167 damage over 603 seconds = 64.9 DPS (no ripostes)
Test 02 - At 210 STR, I did 38969 damage over 595 seconds = 65.4 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = -0.5 DPS

Funnily enough, I gained 0.5 DPS after removing 20 STR lol. It just goes to show that RNG can be fickle sometimes.

With my 2 handed video:

This is using Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge with 34% worn haste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py96jk2NflU

Test 01 - At 210 STR, I did 37,794 damage over 561 seconds = 67.3 DPS (no ripostes)
Test 02 - At 231 STR, I did 37,303 damage over 531 seconds = 70.25 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = 2.95 DPS

I have a total of ~40 minutes of hitting the turtle, and so far my average DPS with +20 STR is basically 1.5 DPS due to my 1H test providing a 0 DPS difference.

I am still not impressed with the +20 STR for your starting stats.

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i still dont cap on my dark elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] in a piece or 2 i will but still took while. let me magelo

edit: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Mintmochi_new

Nice Magelo! That is a very well geared SK. I always laugh at Hobarts, because one time Aftermath got 3 Hobarts from a single Vulak.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made a 1 handed video with the turtle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ouLQOBAoE

At 231 STR, I did 39167 damage over 603 seconds = 64.9 DPS (no ripostes)
At 210 STR, I did 38969 damage over 595 seconds = 65.4 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = -0.5 DPS

Funnily enough, I gained 0.5 DPS after removing 20 STR lol. It just goes to show that RNG can be fickle sometimes.

With my 2 handed video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py96jk2NflU

At 231 STR, I did 37,794 damage over 561 seconds = 67.3 DPS (no ripostes)
At 210 STR, I did 37,303 damage over 531 seconds = 70.25 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = 2.95 DPS

I have a total of roughly 40 minutes of hitting the turtle, and so far my average DPS with +20 STR is basically 1.5 DPS, considering my 1H test provided a 0 DPS difference.

I am still not impressed with the +20 STR for your starting stats.



Nice Magelo! That is a very well geared SK. I always laugh at Hobarts, because one time Aftermath got 3 Hobarts from a single Vulak.

Yea I was there, I was in AM for years

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I was there, I was in AM for years

I was there too. That was a fun time, back before rooted dragons.

[Jimjam]

Fair point. How many min hits? Did the pattern looked like a skewed normal distribution? If so how did it skew?

[Snaggles]

I spent about an hour and a half attacking Bloodmaw and got very little useful information from it. Average hits are just far too high so attack does very little nor does damage bonus. Really though I expect you wont see much of a difference even if you spent 2 hours parsing on vindi...but this is a game of percentage improvement. Aura of Battle is very expensive for what you get.

For a level 60 knight, 20 strength at 60 is 18 attack (228 down to 208). For a level 53 going from 134 str to 124 str is 17 attack. Grim Aura at that level is 13 attack. If you are trying to do damage (anytime you arent tanking) it's important to be effective at it.

It's more important to have fun. The more you have fun the more likely you will see 60 which is where most classes peak. Getting lost in napkin math wont even make you a much better player, tangible skill goes a long way in this game.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I spent about an hour and a half attacking Bloodmaw and got very little useful information from it.

I have found bloodmaw and Mr turtle exceptionally good for comparing one weapon setup vs another setup - but that’s about it. Even then because of their low level it still doesn’t give you a perfect reflection of what you would expect on high end raid targets with high ac. In those fights damage bonus becomes a lot more important.

For example prior to the 2hand DB update TStaff and dual wield were very similar on bloodmaw but epic fist + a good offhand won on high ac raid targets due to lightening application of that static DB. After the 2h DB patch, TStaff wins all the time as dmg bonus on 30 delay 2hander is superior to DB on even super fast epic fists.