Miscellaneous: Nerf Bowquest 99

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Bigcountry23 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to thank you all for this thread. I had stalled out at 35 on my Barb Warrior due to not being able to find groups. After reading this, I started playing around with mobs I would normally only be able to play with on a caster. Was able to start killing specs and giants at 35 and within a week I'm past hell level 45, all solo.

This is incredible!

This would mean you have means to get arrows from either a ranger, mage or vendor (purchasing)

As a Barbarian you don't have access to the Weighted Ax

And there are damage caps so you aren't going to do a lot of damage.

Let alone the question where you got constant movement speed buff in order to range and damage these mobs.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Bigcountry23 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to thank you all for this thread. I had stalled out at 35 on my Barb Warrior due to not being able to find groups. After reading this, I started playing around with mobs I would normally only be able to play with on a caster. Was able to start killing specs and giants at 35 and within a week I'm past hell level 45, all solo.

This is incredible!

I just visited this location to duplicate what you did.

Yeah you are using the water to snare and avoid aggro of mobs.

P99 changed the ability recently for floating casters hit mobs with spells in water for this reason.
I see you are taking advantage of this.

If you have cash for arrows and jboots you may as well just pay for bandage and or other gear I can't imagine your melee offensive skills or defensive skill are getting raised bow kite over water all day. Just say as before there is a better way. This is such an issue on Red because of the fact PvP doesn't use weapon skill and rather agility vs Dex to determine hit. So yeah a caster sitting while getting hit with a bow hurts.

No need to tread close to the interpretation of PvE rule of play when the damage is equivalent or lower in most cases.

[Imago]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just visited this location to duplicate what you did.

Yeah you are using the water to snare and avoid aggro of mobs.

P99 changed the ability recently for floating casters hit mobs with spells in water for this reason.
I see you are taking advantage of this.

If you have cash for arrows and jboots you may as well just pay for bandage and or other gear I can't imagine your melee offensive skills or defensive skill are getting raised bow kite over water all day. Just say as before there is a better way. This is such an issue on Red because of the fact PvP doesn't use weapon skill and rather agility vs Dex to determine hit. So yeah a caster sitting while getting hit with a bow hurts.

No need to tread close to the interpretation of PvE rule of play when the damage is equivalent or lower in most cases.

Starting to sound real desperate

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Originally Posted by Imago [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Starting to sound real desperate

How so I have been a big contributor on the thread. Read through. The damage in PvE is absolute garbage you can do a lot more damage in melee . It has been talked to death and why this effect PvP most. The only one desperate to have this hot fixed is Tune who is rightfully upset since he can’t combat it in PvP. Stop Trolling with nonsense.

[Bigcountry23]

Have a Guise so I can buy arrows in Oggok.
Barbs DO have access to Weighted axe.
Jboot speed is enough to keep specs away running backwards (Giants I auto run and mouse look back for each shot).
My low is in the 60s and high non-crit is in the 100s.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Bigcountry23 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have a Guise so I can buy arrows in Oggok.
Barbs DO have access to Weighted axe.
Jboot speed is enough to keep specs away running backwards (Giants I auto run and mouse look back for each shot).
My low is in the 60s and high non-crit is in the 100s.

I did this on my ranger with sow. Your character gets auto turned to look at what you are shooting. It disrupts your run away enough to get hit by the mob without pain stakingly shoot a single arrow only then try to get far enough away again. And for a poor soloing barb you had the cash and ability purchase a these items. Why not fungi and melee then. Hell get the bandage dagger from velious cheap! The method above sounds ridiculously Inefficient.

[Jimjam]

Mroon's Toy is pretty good 2hander for bowerin. Only complaint is it looks like a staff, not a doll on equipped model.

[ylarik24]

thankfully fix is coming

[Darkone]

for whatever it is worth pretty much all of my euro crew is not playing red99 because of this stupid pvp meta, anyone defending bowquest is a bluebie that wants red99 to stay blue because it levels out the playing field between bad players and good ones if you can just spam your bow, it literally takes zero skill

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Originally Posted by Darkone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

for whatever it is worth pretty much all of my euro crew is not playing red99 because of this stupid pvp meta, anyone defending bowquest is a bluebie that wants red99 to stay blue because it levels out the playing field between bad players and good ones if you can just spam your bow, it literally takes zero skill

Nothing about PvP in Everquest was very balanced. For proof of this look no further than the bard doing something similar to bow exploits. Getting pop shots without the means to stop it.

No I suspect this bothers more the old school players with the upper level gear that have been playing long enough they don't want to modify their play style. Basically I don't want to get a set of AGI gear or learn other methods. And I get it, outdoors the range on these bows can be high.

Does this completely break PvP for all? Not at all because the only ones abusing this really are Barbarian, Ogre and/or Trolls - Warriors and/or Shadowknights forced to buy or get their arrows from other sources.

I would argue, you are truly good, if you aren't willing to get the right gear again for this already unbalance pvp game.

This is coming from a person who has dabbled with this as a 60 warrior ogre and decked out ranger with the earthshaking, cl-icky haste cloak from sky, Clock of Flames, Fleeting Quiver and 4th best dmg/ratio bow.

You can do the same on one of the gm enabled servers.
And in each scenario I have seen this isn't worth it in PvE vs PvP. Hot fixing this for the low population of Red just isn't worth it. And beside you saw, it is getting fixed.
So Meh..