"Need before greed"

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by Kanuvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

only these very forums would tell me im losing out on plat by rolling and winning on a high value item because my time spent selling that high value item could be spent farming pennies from HHK guards

other factors were mentioned like how you could be leveling which gives you access to more money making.

anyways, trying to be a greedy fuck in an emulator of a 21-year-old game is just sad and pathetic. ya'll need to chill - for your own sakes.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

other factors were mentioned like how you could be leveling which gives you access to more money making.

anyways, trying to be a greedy fuck in an emulator of a 21-year-old game is just sad and pathetic. ya'll need to chill - for your own sakes.

Wait, so wanting to have everyone random so that the chance is equal for the entire group makes you a greedy fuck, but staking claim to the item so that nobody else can have it is not? If you ask me, one of those is as fair as you can possible make it and the other is NBG.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, so wanting to have everyone random so that the chance is equal for the entire group makes you a greedy fuck, but staking claim to the item so that nobody else can have it is not? If you ask me, one of those is as fair as you can possible make it and the other is NBG.

Sorry, I guess I'm just unfortunately afflicted with this thing called empathy and kindness. I've just always been okay with letting other people, yes basically strangers, getting upgrades for their gear in MMORPG video games and I've always appreciated people letting me get priority when an item is an upgrade for me.

Yes, sometimes people claim "need" when they don't really need or whatever because they're garbage human beings. But even though there are bad apples out there, I still try to give people the benefit of the doubt that they will be a decent human being.

That's just how I choose to treat it personally. I don't expect anyone else to do the same, but of course it's nice when they do too.

[Siege]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

other factors were mentioned like how you could be leveling which gives you access to more money making.

Yep. I also mentioned how he might miss out on future groups with one or more of the people who watched him take a potentially best-in-slot item from a caster, which could limit his access to better loot in the future.

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, so wanting to have everyone random so that the chance is equal for the entire group makes you a greedy fuck, but staking claim to the item so that nobody else can have it is not? If you ask me, one of those is as fair as you can possible make it and the other is NBG.

Fairness is a subjective concept. I was simply pointing out the fact that there can be far-reaching consequences for giving in to pixel lust that you might not be aware of when a big-ticket item drops and your lizard brain takes over.

[Frug]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyways, trying to be a greedy fuck in an emulator of a 21-year-old game is just sad and pathetic. ya'll need to chill - for your own sakes.

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, I guess I'm just unfortunately afflicted with this thing called empathy and kindness.

:thinking_face:

[Trexller]

Need Before Greed is just its own form of greed.

It eliminates the competition of other rollers and essentially guarantee the item drop is yours.

While the item may be an upgrade for you, even if the slot is occupied by cloth, you do not deserve 100% merit of the item, unless you killed the mob by yourself, while solo.

Any item, example a caster item, can be an upgrade for a melee character. Every item has value, and thus can be sold or exchanged for an upgrade for that melee player.

Vise Versa for that caster player too.

Every member of that group put in some kind of effort that resulted in the item drop.
Therefore every member should have the same chance at the item that drops.

The fact that you can equip the item immediately is a moot point. Everyone in your group is there for the same reason, to gain xp and hopefully improve their gear.

Groups should roll on every item that drops. So many people have forgotten, that you are entitled to Nothing.

A player who calls NBG on an item, is exercising a form of underhanded greed.

We all want gear, whether it be the item that we can immediately equip, or sell/trade for another item that we can use.

You are not special because you are currently wearing cloth.

Any group I've had the misfortune of joining that called NBG, I left.

I am here to play a game with you, I am not here to twink you.

/rant off

[Doktoor]

Add me into the group that says NBG is stupid because it disincentivizes entire archtypes from doing certain camps. Unless it's like a quest item or something like that, that the person, upon joining the group, says they're after. Everyone should roll on everything, IMO.

And to the people that say, "It's just going to rot in your bank," I say BS, you are not an effective seller than. On Teal at lvl 33, I have exactly 2 pieces of bronze armor in my bank and nothing else - I've moved tons of stuff, including about 3 full sets of bronze. You just have to be aggressive about selling stuff.

[Jimjam]

Disingenuous to say nbg is 'just' another form of greed.

Often in a greed grouo players will spontaneously pass on an item that another player could use.

It feels good to help others progress, and that is worth more than pp to some.

[KelticKope]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disingenuous to say nbg is 'just' another form of greed.

Often in a greed grouo players will spontaneously pass on an item that another player could use.

It feels good to help others progress, and that is worth more than pp to some.

That is how it should be though.... in a greed group everyone is offered an equal chance... and each player can use their own discretion to pass or not. I often pass on items I don't need when someone else could use the item. Especially when it is a friend or guildie.

But if Im grouping with an overtwinked A***ole who is looting every corpse like a mad man. While Im still wearing leather/banded. You can better believe Im going to roll on the valuable drop.

In another example I saw a ranger who was wearing a crested helm at the entrance of Guk.... join my Exe/Sav group 2 hours later.... without a helmet. Now If I didnt recognize him, he would of gotten one over on our group.

The problem if NBG is it removes individual discretion from the process. And as a blanket rule it can be used and exploited by greedy people.

If the baseline is everyone rolls... nothing can be exploited. And I can decide to pass based on comparative equipment and actual need.

Greedy people can exploit NGB
Greedy people can not exploit when everyone rolls

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by KelticKope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In another example I saw a ranger who was wearing a crested helm at the entrance of Guk.... join my Exe/Sav group 2 hours later.... without a helmet. Now If I didnt recognize him, he would of gotten one over on our group.

Now that green has been out a while, I'm siding with greed rolls.

For the first month or two, greed rolling everything would have been ridiculous, because even minor drops were often upgrades for multiple people in the group, and there wasn't enough pp in the economy to easily resell items. e.g. I even won a Crested Helm on my cleric, as nbg, because it was a legit upgrade at the time.

Now though? Over 3 months into green? No way.

Everyone needs pp and there's been enough time for loot to flood the market that even a lowbie can gear up easily.