How do I report a named kill steal?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see the problem. The mob is unclaimed until a ph is killed

That's the problem. By your logic, you are not allowed to kill the PH, because it's not your's. By your logic, the only camps that are your's are the ones in which you've killed the previous PH. That translates into no camps, ever, because you can never kill the first mob of a camp (PH or not) to start the cycle because you can never have killed the mob before it.

Now of course obviously the cycle has to start somewhere, and it has to be possible to claim a camp without magically having killed the PH before claiming the camp. Camp claims start when someone claims an unclaimed spawn point. The rules do not say that you need to kill a PH to claim a camp. Hell, they don't even say you need to be next to Hadden's spawn point:

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp' ... You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it.

This is not rocket science. If Bob is waiting for Hadden and no one else is, Bob has that camp, even though Bob didn't kill the PH. If Fred shows up and takes Hadden from Bob by out-DPSing, that is a kill steal, plain and simple.

[Triiz]

I can see the point Jimjam is trying to make. Hadden is much more like Sir Lucan than some other random named with a PH. They are both guaranteed set time spawns that spawn outdoors with no PH that people get the timer for and come back later.

The several times I killed Lucan I intentionally left Jentry up to ToT him. No one ever tried to race me for FTE but according to the rules that I never saw publicly stated until 2018 I had no claim to the camp because I wasn't killing Jentry.

It's a dick move to KS Hadden when someone has been sitting there but it's also a dick move to KS Lucan if someone is sitting there but not killing the guards, yet that's the rule.

[Zuranthium]

Jimjam + aaezil are correct. Except I don't think that rule is bad, it makes perfect sense. Think of how easily the boxers would be able to claim camps otherwise.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By your logic, the only camps that are your's are the ones in which you've killed the previous PH. That translates into no camps, ever, because you can never kill the first mob of a camp (PH or not) to start the cycle because you can never have killed the mob before it.

LOL, *this* is a lack of logic.

If you go somewhere that is uncamped and kill the mob(s), then the camp is yours. You have in fact now killed the PH - the mob(s) you just killed are the PH for the next.

By contrast, if you show up somewhere that is uncamped but you just AFK (or if it's a solo spawn with no nearby mobs with which to establish a camp), the camp is not yours. That would be a First-to-Engage situation.

Also think about raids for example. It doesn't matter which guild sits in front of a dragon first, it's whoever engages first.

[bricke75]

Originally Posted by Zipity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using this logic I think a lot of People at STormfeather are about to be so mad when I FTE it bc they didn’t kill the previous PHer or gnomes under the tree!

Let the chaos begin.

[GnomeCaptain]

What a bunch of baseless, shallow, specious sophistry.

FTE?

Killing Axe or the previous Hadden?

Baseless idiocy. This was a clear ks.

It's like some people just want to argue.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by GnomeCaptain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a bunch of baseless, shallow, specious sophistry.

FTE?

Killing Axe or the previous Hadden?

Baseless idiocy. This was a clear ks.

It's like some people just want to argue.

[Zill]

Any time I want to come back to P1999 I just come read threads like these.

Thank you all for sacrificing your positions on the human dominance hierarchy to show me the right way

[Jimjam]

Its a discussion forum. An argument is a coherent series of statements, using opinion derived from evidence to support a position. Forum is being used as intended.

For what it's worth, I agree cycling Axe to secure Hadden would be rediculous, but I think the same of killing Brother Jentry to secure Lucan. It was a flippant suggestion.

[Zal22]

STFU Jimjam

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zal22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

STFU Jimjam

That's rather rude.

There are three mechanics by which you can acquire a camp; killing PHers, clearing the room if there isn't a ph or inheriting it through a hand off.

I'm sorry if my position is so upsetting to you it causes you to lose your composure.