My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

of course you do and that is part of the reason why I did not bother investing anymore in my last post than i did. this became evident in our last exchange :c had you any genuine
interest in propagating truth, or even understanding, you'd have worked with me in a focused discussion by answering my questions OR asking more of your own.

Instead, you want a source war. I'm sorry, but I don't know what information you need to make sense of my argument and I neither catalogue nor remember much of anything. I'm neither interested in nor capable of shoving piles of information back and forth. i do however possess an exceptional talent for discrimination and offered it for your use, but you just ignored it :c

People in this forum say a lot of crazy, if not flat out false things (I'm looking at you Mick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]). Anyone can repeat whatever stupid thing someone they idolize (their favorite radio talk show host, tv news personality, blogger, etc.) says, no matter how false it may be. All I'm asking is that when people say things that sound crazy to me, that they somehow explain where that crazy belief is coming from, so that I can honestly consider whether they have a legitimate point or are just spouting baseless beliefs.

I'm not looking for an essay with footnotes for ten primary sources, I'm just saying if you (not you specifically, the general you) say all BLM protesters are violent psychopaths, I'm going to ask you to show me something that suggests that all BLM protesters are violent psychopaths. And if the thing you show me is some random guy's blog, or something not even related to the conversation (again, looking at you Mick), I'm going to call you out on it.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you write a lot and have a lot of information ^^ I cannot address everything you say at once, nor am I interested in addressing every tangent you introduce when you ignore the substance of my argument :c

I respond to the stuff I disagree with, or the stuff I really strongly agree with. I'm not sure exactly what substance of what argument you are referring to (this thread is 20+ pages long), but most likely I just agreed with most of it and singled out one part because it (unlike the rest of what you wrote) seemed wrong to me.

[loramin]

So once again ... do either of you actually know even a single person who identifies as a feminist, let alone multiple people active in the movement? Or are you basing all this on your imaginary preconceptions of who feminists (that you've never met) are?

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So once again ... do either of you actually know even a single person who identifies as a feminist, let alone multiple people active in the movement? Or are you basing all this on your imaginary preconceptions of who feminists (that you've never met) are?

I am a feminist, but I am by no means a modern one. I believe women reached equality in the 1980s.

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[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imaginary preconceptions of who feminists (that you've never met) are?

1. talented artists are being blacklisted right now, so you cant say its a "you havent met them".. these feminists are literally taking away my freedom right now to enjoy art because of puritanical nonsense.
2. you're the one trying to tell me that's not what they are about.

YOU are the only one basing your reality on the belief that people think the way you do, that you haven't met.

Im basing mine on actions.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So once again ... do either of you actually know even a single person who identifies as a feminist, let alone multiple people active in the movement? Or are you basing all this on your imaginary preconceptions of who feminists (that you've never met) are?

Obviously some of their ideology is formed by the sources they choose to read or watch which probably only depict the most extreme "feminists."

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So once again ... do either of you actually know even a single person who identifies as a feminist, let alone multiple people active in the movement? Or are you basing all this on your imaginary preconceptions of who feminists (that you've never met) are?

So I read that and thought to myself "no bullshit -- who do you know that identifies as feminist." Besides some wealthy lesbians in California I don't know too well, probably my older brother's wife. That's it out of all socialists/leftists I know well. None of the others want that label. It was only at college I ever found a lot of identification with that label.

This is a quick recap of my brother's wife:

Worked at Burger Restaurant (supposedly wanted to be a Message Therapist) -- hooked up with my brother who was outwardly claiming to be looking for nothing serious and just wanting to have fun. My brother is no player though so he ended up attached to her. Nice score for the Red Robbin girl -- my brother has a trust fund and a business.

Marries him quits her job has two kids*. When she is not busy bitching about how overwhelmed she is being a mom -- She will go on Facebook and write posts in support of black lives matter, feminism etc.

Lots of selfies and pictures with her and her kids on vacations and wearing nice cloths...and some stuff about feminism and the pay gap patriarchy etc...

She is a real bitch to my brother's ex-wife who doesn't have a trust fund husband anymore. Lots of rumor-mongering about how dysfunctional she is and mentally ill.

So that's it -- that's the "feminist" I know. She probably has the same bullshit "I support equality" minimalist definition you do. Even though this is highly misleading and implies there are significant numbers of people that disagree with equality.

My mom was a single mother of 2 from a poor background that got a professional degree sometime in the 80s -- she doesn't identify as a feminist...I'm guessing because she had real problems.

*even though my brother already had 2 and was upfront day 1 about not wanting more

[loramin]

Wow Mick, I am truly and sincerely sorry to hear that. The point I wanted to make was that one group of people having a far higher risk of violence than another group makes that first group unequal ... but I never meant in any way to trivialize male rape, and I hope I haven't done so with any of my posts.

I also hope you were able to get the help you needed afterwards, and if not I hope you seek it out someday. Those kind of experiences can be damaging in many unexpected ways.

[mickmoranis]

I was never able to get any of the help I needed because being raped as a man is a fucking joke and nobody wants to hear it, the one person I told when I was a kid defrended me IRL because it was too much for her to handle.

its bullshit.

Life is rediculously hard and if you go around feeling like you desrve simpathy for the same shit that everyone goes around suffering from then start swinging your perverbial dick by assuming that everyone has it GOOD if theyre white or a man, then all you're doing is announcing

"IM A HUGE RETARD HEAR ME AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY"

it is by no means more difficult to live on earth as a man or a women so longa s you are born in a western civilized country.

Now, born in a muslim one that libs love to protect and guess again.

But the moral of the story.

In work, pay, social hiarchy, in every single facet of life man and women are created equally: the strong prey on the weak and thats it period.

The strong does not care if you are a man or a woman. Only if you are weak and will accept the lowest offer.

Hell I turned down buying a car 3 days ago cus they couldnt match my price.

I got a phone call today that they would do it.

Why? Cus I didnt really want the car, so I said no to their bottom line offer.

If you really want the job? Youre gonna get payed less.

Man

or woman.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you really want the job? Youre gonna get payed less.

Man

or woman.

Why do women get paid less across the board than men if things are equal between the sexes? I should clarify this better, why are women not offered the same higher paying jobs as men? This is just one clear stat that no one can dispute. Men are paid more than women and are offered higher paid jobs period. Why is this? Because women want the job more, so they get paid less? To think the world in America is equal for men and women you'd have to be delusional or crazy, or just in denial.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do women get paid less across the board than men if things are equal between the sexes? This is just one clear stat that no one can dispute. Men are paid more than women, period. Why is this? Because women want the job more, so they get paid less? To think the world in America is equal for men and women you'd have to be delusional or crazy, or just in denial.

because they dont? https://fee.org/articles/truth-and-m...ender-pay-gap/

personally I believe that you have conditioned women into thinking they are going to be treated worse than men so they go in more desperate and worried that they are going to get turned down altogethre because of sexism.

It puts them at a weaker position than men, who are told that they will get more than the deserve, so they go in with confidence.

Yall need better parenting, not feminism.

quit worrying about other parents kids, if they raise them to think they deserve less, that means your kid who was raised propper knows they can get more thanks to those suckers.