Are you kidding me?

[Signal]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah when I think EQ progression, I think having a Crown of Rile to jump forever on FTE footraces from the far end of the zone because we have to have horribly oppressive staff intervention because we're spoiled brats who can't share their toys.
Oh no, wait. When I think EQ progression, I think being able to kill the target.

Except you are wrong. Classic EQ progression in Velious was about having the right gear and levels to kill the targets. It was about having the proper strategy and spawn timers. Only 1 or 2 guilds on each server in Classic were consistently doing the things it took to down those targets consistently. When you look at this server and the way it has played out you have the same system. You just have more players at 60. You have that format pushed to the extreme.

So now you have GM's trying to setup a system for guilds to compete. Having that barrier of progression is healthy and gives guilds that want to break in a avenue of progression. On Classic those smaller guilds would rarely have a chance to see these targets. They have a path here that they never would have had on live. Even with that path they want to skip progression and be handed something that they never would have had in Classic on live.

I think Sirken's changes without anything being added or lawyered further is as fair as you can make it when you look at the casuals in regards to the hardcore. The casuals have their avenue for progression. Awakened and Aftermath do not commit as much resources to Trak and VP as they do ToV and Kael. Progress your guild through that avenue. Instead of taking advantage of the avenues available to them they want to completely bypass the avenue and have the larger guilds handcuffed because they did progress through those avenues.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to be clear. The more casual guilds are complaining that they actually have to progress correctly to compete ? Seems to me a Crown of Rile click is a deserved advantage because the "raiding guilds" killed PD and progressed correctly. Seems like a natural entry and progression. Go kill PD and progress before taking part in Velious races. Seems like a perfect line of progression instead of being asked to be put on equal footing with guilds that have progressed by the GM's.

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want to progress as a guild correct ? Then do what other guilds have done. Compete for the targets first that gets you the gear you need to compete on the mobs in the new expansion. Don't just stand in the raid forums and beg to be put on equal footing every time the guilds who progressed correctly uses the gear they earned through previous foot races. You just come off as a someone always asking for a handout every step of the way.

"This is too hard. Please help us." So the GM helps you.

"Ok NOW this is too hard please help us again." So the GM helps you again.


When is it ever going to get easy enough to get you guys to stop complaining ? Just race in VP to start for PD and get yourselves up to that level instead of crying about a guild because they used the gear they earned.

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See Kileras when most people read a post like this one you made in the Raid Discussion. All they see is someone asking for more changes because your gear isn't on par with the gear of guilds who have progressed correctly. You are asking to be put on even footing when you haven't progressed as a guild correctly to be there. You guys are asking GM's to remove all advantages that gear gives to the guilds that have progressed correctly. You are asking this AFTER Sirken has already went out of his way to make changes to help you once.

Progress your guild correctly and get the items off of Dragons that gives these small advantages instead of asking the GM's to remove the gear advantage. Heck Sirken has went out of his way to make races in VP as fair as possible and now he has for Kael and ToV as well. I mean do you guys not see how insane this is.

"Sirken I know these guys progressed and killed PD for these items. I know they are using the items for what their intended purpose was. But could you remove the use of these items because...well gee we really want to skip progression to catch up to them."

It smells like Aftermath in here. Did this clown seriously just imply that Crown of Rile's "intended use" was a tool to gain an edge over shitty casual guilds that haven't cleared VP for 5 years in footraces for FTE of Velious raid targets?

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[Signal]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It smells like Aftermath in here. Did this clown seriously just imply that Crown of Rile's "intended use" was a tool to gain an edge over shitty casual guilds that haven't cleared VP for 5 years in footraces for FTE of Velious raid targets?

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The intended use of a Crown of Rile in classic was to refill the endurance bar. You could run and jump to your hearts content. You sir smell like a BDA member who simply can't grasp the concept of working for something and earning it. You guys are the new age of America. Whine until you get your way because if you whine loud and long enough things will get handed to you. Right ?

[Sweettouch]

This Signal guy has no life and is a pussy. End of story

[Signal]

Also show us these members who have been here 5+ years and raided VP the entire time. They are rare on this server. 85% or more of Aftermath and Awakened doesn't meet that criteria you set forth. Their raiding of VP probably only consists mostly of the last 2 to 2 and a half years. With the last 9 months of that limited because of Velious. The number of active players with a Crown of Rile that race in these races isn't that high I would wager. Your guild honestly would only need 2 or 3 to be on equal footing. But yeah let's ban progression and just make everything equal. Because ya know. Working for things is bad.

[Cecily]

It's cute. You're trying sooo hard to make the argument for Crown of Rile = necessary P99 progression. As someone who has a crown, it's not. At all. It's a toy.

[Signal]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's cute. You're trying sooo hard to make the argument for Crown of Rile = necessary P99 progression. As someone who has a crown, it's not. At all. It's a toy.

You are pretty dense if you think that is all a Crown of Rile ever was on live. It literally makes life easier for any pulling class in Everquest. I tend to forget you are just a rogue that sits in camp for Dragons though. So you likely wouldn't understand. I think it's cute that you are trying to argue otherwise honestly. It does show your lack of knowledge about Everquest though.

[Cecily]

I don't appreciate the personal attacks just because you have a shitty argument.

[Signal]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't appreciate the personal attacks just because you have a shitty argument.

Well when your argument is the shitty part of the discussion expect to be called dense. What can I tell ya besides that ? When it is obvious you have no real understanding of the value of the item in question and you try to undermine the value of that item to prove a point. Your argument is dense. Ask any Monk who has pulled a Dragon/mob while having this item what they use it for. It's to move faster to get away from the mob via unlimited jumps.

So yeah dunno what to say to you. I call you dense because you moved your fingers and typed out something dense. Try better next time ?

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't appreciate the personal attacks just because you have a shitty argument.