Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess people CotHing early because they were off a few seconds on the fail timers doesn't happen or raids moving to the Ice Bridge early before FTE occurs doesn't happen either?

You are fooling yourself if you don't think 'Letter of the Rule' violations occur on just about every failed ring war Dain repop. Or sitting there spam hailing Dain while you set the aggro/banish/summon table, seeing him run back into the castle then back to the raid followed by the 'stall' tells and ooc pissing contests.

We see this stuff all the time.

Lol so the story changes

First off - theres no rule that you have to wait for 'FTE' before you can move beyond the zones when raid mobs are up. You DO have to however wait for the mobs to actually spawn before you can set forth to contest the FTE. This is what Gimpster failed to do properly.

You are also currently failing at your comprehension of what the rules are. COTHing 'early' so that the FTEer lands at Dain's feet when hes up is not illegal. You can start a COTH spell whenever you like so long that when the FTEer is not summoned before Dain pops. If hes summoned before the raid mob had appeared it would fall under 'tracker FTE' much like what Gimpster did on the repop spawns.

If you have evidence of guilds breaking a rule as you describe please post it.

[Gimp]

You can play the tracker FTE bullshit angle all you want, but you've yet to tell me how what I did is any different than winning a PD FTE race on a repop. Until you do that, you're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

[TMBLOW]

Its cool P99 community, anything that applied and governed VP Phara Dar repop races of years past are now the gold standard for our current server rules and should be never questioned since only the most privildeged even raced for stupid PD years ago.

Am I rite?

[Gimp]

Exactly the pussified passive aggressive response I was expecting.

[Legday]

If you want to call out Gimp on racing when the ground shook as opposed to waiting until Tormax actually appeared, then you sir, are the Lord of rule lawyering.

Everybody knows there is a slight delay on the mobs actually popping. Nobody knows exactly what it is. With PD it was never an issue because the run up to PD takes awhile so he had already popped when the racers arrived. Nobody has done that since Velious dropped because if you're on the pad in VP when there is an earthquake you say fuck PD and get to Velious. It doesn't mean it isn't the rule still in effect.

Lots of nerd rage in this thread. Sirken OK'd exactly what we did in Kael. Get over what happened and start thinking of ways to work with us on fixing it going forward, as many of us have said in the last 2 days.

[Batso]

Additionally, petitioning a guild (that in this case was following the rules) with the intent to get them suspended is likely to backfire and get your own team suspended. You're welcome.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Batso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Additionally, petitioning a guild (that in this case was following the rules) with the intent to get them suspended is likely to backfire and get your own team suspended. You're welcome.

We've got two infractions against Aftermath, though. 1) leaving the start too early (before KT popped) and 2) stalling (not allowed to leave the zone after you FTE). Even though they clearly broke two different rules on the same engage, I would settle to punish them as one infraction together. Agree to sit out next two KTs or eat 10 day ban and have loot deleted.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We've got two infractions against Aftermath, though. 1) leaving the start too early (before KT popped) and 2) stalling (not allowed to leave the zone after you FTE). Even though they clearly broke two different rules on the same engage, I would settle to punish them as one infraction together. Agree to sit out next two KTs or eat 10 day ban and have loot deleted.

Where in the stalling rules does it state you are not allowed to leave the zone? Once you zoned out it would drop FTE. The race up rules overwrote the stalking rules in this case.

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lots of nerd rage in this thread. Sirken OK'd exactly what we did in Kael. Get over what happened and start thinking of ways to work with us on fixing it going forward, as many of us have said in the last 2 days.

Spin spin spin! This is also false. Sirken "OKd" the Aftermath first attempts on the basis on his encounter logs showing your guild with FTE.

He was not aware Gimpster violated the race rules by starting early before any mobs were spawned nor is he aware that Gimpster waited near the spawn point to FTE in a similar fashion as any face tracker being near a spawn and acquiring an engage.

Yes Sirken OKd the attempts but he was not given a clear full picture what happened. Not only did Aftermath cheat to acquire FTE but they abused the spirit of the new rules stalling the encounter keeping their FTE claim while not in zone.

Seems legit to me - Sirken is now being made aware of the situation to what lead to the FTEs and it would behoove you guys to consider sitting out some Kael mobs if you feel sharing and equal chance at mobs are important aspects to your raiding community

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by TMBLOW [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spin spin spin! This is also false. Sirken "OKd" the Aftermath first attempts on the basis on his encounter logs showing your guild with FTE.

He was not aware Gimpster violated the race rules by starting early before any mobs were spawned nor is he aware that Gimpster waited near the spawn point to FTE in a similar fashion as any face tracker being near a spawn and acquiring an engage.

Yes Sirken OKd the attempts but he was not given a clear full picture what happened. Not only did Aftermath cheat to acquire FTE but they abused the spirit of the new rules stalling the encounter keeping their FTE claim while not in zone.

Seems legit to me - Sirken is now being made aware of the situation to what lead to the FTEs and it would behoove you guys to consider sitting out some Kael mobs if you feel sharing and equal chance at mobs are important aspects to your raiding community

Tell me exactly how you know this as fact. I really want to know. Otherwise you have absolutely no merit.