Catherins attempt at lawyering

[Clark]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rustled? Cuz I'm sure insulting grammar is the last resort of someone who's wrong on the internet.

Grammar is Great!

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/ducks

I cannot believe what Chest is posting. GM disrespect, No concept of what he did to GT, no responsibility for his own actions.
TMO tried to work with whoever was at that naggy raid that day, got no where, there was a clear violation by your team, instead of taking like a man, and own up to the mistake. You played the blame game. I was there that day there was no BDA running in at 15percent, you ran in when taken was failing, while naggy was winning vs taken. Ran past our assembled raid who was waiting for Taken to pull it together or die, so we could engage cleanly after reset. It would have been BDA vs TMO for a clean engage after reset, instead your team ran in to "help" taken. but . if joint raid.. you both had trackers, so liar liar.

And yes you blackballed GT. You even brow beat them for having anything to do with TMO, simply sharing Fear that day with TMO was guilt by association or some shit because you told them to not have anything to do with TMO , like TMO was the Teenage boy with the van outside, and you were the Father looking at his 18 year old daughter, threatening her to stay away from that boy!!!

OMG disrespect to Derubael and Sirken is out the roof. OMG.

I want to understand, why are BDA members staying in BDA dealing with Chest. You all have a thing about being ruled by an overlord?

I cannot believe (well, actually I can) what Knix is posting.

We (BDA) and we (the FAP, yeah that's what we call it) didn't blackball GT. IF TMO was going to try to assist GT in their growth and raid capability - why not help them kill some Class C mobs, train them up so they can immediately enter the competitive class as they wanted to?
As much as Class C says we shouldn't talk about Class C because we don't know the truths, you shouldn't be talking about Class R because you don't know the truths either.

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a clear violation by your team

= Dincarl trains, anyone? PLENTY of evidence submitted on that one.

Listen, I'm not a huge vocal "fuck TMO" guy - I do not agree with many views that much of your guild has, but that doesn't mean they are of less value than my personal views, or for that matter Chest's views.

Chest feels disrespected by Sirken because he was told an issue was handled, closed, done - and then BDA was punished postmortem for it. In that specific instance, it was like the left hand didn't know what the right hand had already done.

Chest and Derubael aren't peas-n-carrots like Forrest and Jenny - it's known. So the fact that Derub was driving the "investigation" only added fuel to that fire. The fact that the GM's RECOGNIZED THE CLASS R ROTATION and leveraged a penalty against our Class R assigned mob, when the determined "infraction" was on an FFA spawn, has a greater impact than TMO or IB determining they will "sit one out".

We took the punishment, begrudgingly, and still feel it wasn't valid in the first place, as well as wasn't reasonable to have it applied to the PLAYER MADE AGREEMENT that is the Class R rotation.

We like the Kool-Aid, we have a ton of interaction both inside and outside the guild. We play other games together, we have RL get togethers and get drunk and badmouth TMO face to face because of the Kool-Aid. All in all, we're a hate-filled machine full of Anti-TMO mongers. Is that the answer you're looking for?

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest feels disrespected by Sirken because he was told an issue was handled, closed, done - and then BDA was punished postmortem for it. In that specific instance, it was like the left hand didn't know what the right hand had already done.

This really doesn't matter. It is at the behest of the GM's to reopen any grievance/petition/whatever whenever they want to regardless of whether or not it has been brought to a conclusion or not.

What he should have done is agreed to Deru's request and dealt with it later in a respectful manner.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

= Dincarl trains, anyone? PLENTY of evidence submitted on that one.

Listen, I'm not a huge vocal "fuck TMO" guy - I do not agree with many views that much of your guild has, but that doesn't mean they are of less value than my personal views, or for that matter Chest's views.

Chest feels disrespected by Sirken because he was told an issue was handled, closed, done - and then BDA was punished postmortem for it. In that specific instance, it was like the left hand didn't know what the right hand had already done.

Chest and Derubael aren't peas-n-carrots like Forrest and Jenny - it's known. So the fact that Derub was driving the "investigation" only added fuel to that fire. The fact that the GM's RECOGNIZED THE CLASS R ROTATION and leveraged a penalty against our Class R assigned mob, when the determined "infraction" was on an FFA spawn, has a greater impact than TMO or IB determining they will "sit one out".

We took the punishment, begrudgingly, and still feel it wasn't valid in the first place, as well as wasn't reasonable to have it applied to the PLAYER MADE AGREEMENT that is the Class R rotation.

We like the Kool-Aid, we have a ton of interaction both inside and outside the guild. We play other games together, we have RL get togethers and get drunk and badmouth TMO face to face because of the Kool-Aid. All in all, we're a hate-filled machine full of Anti-TMO mongers. Is that the answer you're looking for?

I got no problem with you Anichek. You seem like a chill dude. But the Dinacarl train was an overreaction by a player that was instigated by the actions of Chest calling a AE in a zone that was already being cleared by 2 other guilds. Nothing that happened in fear that day is anything anyone should be proud of or point to as a way to act or react. Both sides played a part in what transpired. IF you don't think Chest knew he was instigating people that day by his actions you are kinda blind.

Chest first telling his guild to zone in and AE a zone that was already being cleared and Dinacarl training was 2 poor actions that does nothing to promote the health of this server. Dinacarl got punished for his actions that day. While Chest faced no repercussions and got to add something he instigated to his grudge bank.

[kotton05]

True~_~

[Man0warr]

I'm so rustled.

[Nirgon]

Stop running off the GMs guys seriously

[kotton05]

Peas deru and holy shit it looks like the p99 community needed a vent thread. Ever since I joined rnf has always made work more fun. Lately it's been so sad.

I appreciate every one of you!

Now let's take a step forward. Does anyone have ideas on how to make the scene better? What if a collective made a case study thread with petitions and rulings from raid disputes? Would anyone wanna tackle that to help create solid references and a more concrete standard in when/what/how to petition correctly? This would help current and new guilds greatly also avoid frivilous claims.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Peas deru and holy shit it looks like the p99 community needed a vent thread. Ever since I joined rnf has always made work more fun. Lately it's been so sad.

I appreciate every one of you!

Now let's take a step forward. Does anyone have ideas on how to make the scene better? What if a collective made a case study thread with petitions and rulings from raid disputes? Would anyone wanna tackle that to help create solid references and a more concrete standard in when/what/how to petition correctly? This would help current and new guilds greatly also avoid frivilous claims.

The simple solution is C/R, remove FFA, full repops FFA. Removes the point where C and R are forced to interact and removes a shit ton of drama.

[ManosMan]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The simple solution is C/R, remove FFA, full repops FFA. Removes the point where C and R are forced to interact and removes a shit ton of drama.

Who is forcing you to attempt free for all targets?