Casinos

[Rais]

This Fraps is now worthy to be posted in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut2PPbnb0ZA

[zforrestal]

*sigh* mumbles to himself... "winner, care to try again?" lights firework. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

ya but GM this is leik rosa park n congris n holokoss rapped n 1!!

u cant do this u FUKKS u wil RIGRET

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ya but GM this is leik rosa park n congris n holokoss rapped n 1!!

u cant do this u FUKKS u wil RIGRET

You've been red too long Yums, that yellow chat spam constantly pissing on your head has turned your brain into artificially-flavored banana jello.

/mourn

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

my brian is broken

BROKEN

Seriously though I'd be all over these people regardless of degradation to my pea-sized brain. Rosa Parks. LOL

[-Alcoholic-]

Ha ha i rage quit after i lost my 2nd CoF and 3rd Fungi in under 2 months.... i payed out over 380k in prizes before that.. I attempt to log back in next day after i cooled off. I appologized to the guy and arranged to pay him his reward in a PM. I see my account is banned. I read all the threads about it and see that my ban is due to defrauding another player... I totally agree with that decision... I was a mental wreck when i /q'ed on that guy and I deserve what happened... i didnt "scam" anyone but him.. i didnt attempt to "scam" anyone before him... it was just a moment of weakness.

Im sorry to all involved if i had a hand in ending the EQ gambling scene...

ALTHOUGH... everything i have read about this leads me to conclude that my specific scenario is being used by staff to take your gambling privilege away... NOT because gambling, in and of itself, has caused grief to the community beyond the annoyance of having to filter your chat window. But, because it has made it harder to detect RMT.. taking away a beautiful layer of the game for no reason other than that they are understaffed and over worked.

I guess i can understand that to some degree... and in other ways i cant understand that at all.

smoke and mirrors

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by -Alcoholic- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ha ha i rage quit after i lost my 2nd CoF and 3rd Fungi in under 2 months.... i payed out over 380k in prizes before that.. I attempt to log back in next day after i cooled off. I appologized to the guy and arranged to pay him his reward in a PM. I see my account is banned. I read all the threads about it and see that my ban is due to defrauding another player... I totally agree with that decision... I was a mental wreck when i /q'ed on that guy and I deserve what happened... i didnt "scam" anyone but him.. i didnt attempt to "scam" anyone before him... it was just a moment of weakness.

Im sorry to all involved if i had a hand in ending the EQ gambling scene...

ALTHOUGH... everything i have read about this leads me to conclude that my specific scenario is being used by staff to take your gambling privilege away... NOT because gambling, in and of itself, has caused grief to the community beyond the annoyance of having to filter your chat window. But, because it has made it harder to detect RMT.. taking away a beautiful layer of the game for no reason other than that they are understaffed and over worked.

I guess i can understand that to some degree... and in other ways i cant understand that at all.

smoke and mirrors

Had nothing to do with you, and I don't think we've ever once stated that the dispute that involved you affected this decision, so not sure where people would get that from.

Even if we had the proper staff, we wouldn't go sorting through casino trade logs in the volume required for what I need. There's simply too many trades. Again, this is something that's difficult to understand unless you can see what I see.

[-Alcoholic-]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Had nothing to do with you, and I don't think we've ever once stated that the dispute that involved you affected this decision, so not sure where people would get that from.

Even if we had the proper staff, we wouldn't go sorting through casino trade logs in the volume required for what I need. There's simply too many trades. Again, this is something that's difficult to understand unless you can see what I see.

Yeah i guess you are right.. i was just reading into the anti casino threads a bit too much.

It just seemed like a witch hunt in the beginning with people getting so flared up about something they cannot or will not understand. I "know" these other casino operators ... its hard not to know people you talk to on a daily basis and (although my word is no good anymore) almost all of them are absolute kings (and queens). There was definitely an overwhelming response from everyone other than Proaero (who i have reconciled with and promised to repay when and if circumstances allow). Its was difficult to not correlate what happened with me and the ban on casinos. I would definitely be pulling my hair out if I had to step into your shoes... I have no perspective on what you go through on a daily basis and i apologize if my last statement offended you or any of the other staff Derubael.

[Olscratch]

Originally Posted by -Alcoholic- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ALTHOUGH... everything i have read about this leads me to conclude that my specific scenario is being used by staff to take your gambling privilege away... NOT because gambling, in and of itself, has caused grief to the community beyond the annoyance of having to filter your chat window. But, because it has made it harder to detect RMT.. taking away a beautiful layer of the game for no reason other than that they are understaffed and over worked.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Had nothing to do with you, and I don't think we've ever once stated that the dispute that involved you affected this decision, so not sure where people would get that from.

Really?

You're not sure why people would think that - after casinos have held a legitimate place on this server for 5 years, and here 2 weeks after Alcoholic's "scam" all legitimate casinos + serverwidegambling is suddenly blanket prohibition without any discussion or reasoning given?


Also:

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Due to numerous issues resulting from player run casinos and to reflect similar policies enacted on Live during classic, as well as other MMORPG's, we have decided to prohibit the operation, advertisement, or use of "casinos"

We hope that this change will make for a safer trading community and help protect the players on our server. In the future we may add gambling NPC's to provide a safe, server friendly way to gamble here on Project 1999

Those two things are contradictory and false. SoE had no anti player-run casino policy during classic on Live. And the NPC casino is a LDoN era feature. Many of us had classic experiences with player-run casinos on live classic. Though they're posts of people bitching and slightly post classic era, here's a few servers where player-run casinos were commonplace.


Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:05 pm
Arvor
On Povar, most of the casinos I see run about 55/45 in favor of the operator. I suspect those are honest, though I certainly wouldn't waste my time with them. I can find easier and quicker ways to delete 55% of my plat.:smileyhappy:

Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:48 pm
Mr-Cowbell
I'll admit it I run a scam in the bazaar. Just kidding- every now and then I will auction off my ignore list to the bazaar- for some sad reason there are no takers. Oh well they seem to be less prevalant on my new home of Lans T'vyl. Prexus had them really bad for a while.

Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:13 pm
Theramor-GoV
Personally I hate the "casinos" that are all over the Veeshan Bazaar. These days I've gotten into the habit of not only reducing my clipping plane but stopping shouts before I go in the bazaar.

source : http://www.elitegamerslounge.com/hom...hp?f=2&t=17819

Zzirus
12-18-2003, 12:55 PM
WOW that is an awesome idea Njokiel I hope that is the truth.

I tried to start a casino on one of my alts and lost 20k to players so I have learned my lesson from gambling.
http://www.eqcleric.com/archive/index.php/t-6287.html

#1 May 05 2004 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
The Honorable czaemon
Sage
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3,937 posts
If you don't intend to be a traditional everquest casino (AKA scam people,) then please, for the love of god, use a calculator. I was just wandering through the bazaar today when I heard a shout.
soandso shout "Casino open at stables! /rand 1000, 600+ gets twice your money, under 600 gets half your bet back!!!"

Now. Anyone else see something wrong with that? Noting the rather favorable odds I headed over. I placed a 20 plat bet to start with, then doubled my bet after each win. Thanks for the 18kplat. Next time, perhaps, make sure your odds are favorable to you? It helps to have a calculator sometimes too, that way you don't try to payout 7k when you should be paying 5.5k... (I actually told her about that, although I didn't bother pointing out that her odds were less-than-favorable.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/foru...99533196412246

Antonius-Bayle apparently had them,

Cruzader
Orc Raider
(No subject)
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2003, 09:14:12 am »
I would never gamble with a lvl 1 char (mule) or with anyone not guilded, to much risk and to much pain in the ass killing someone later.
http://www.antonius-bayle.org/index.php?topic=1517.30

03-03-2003, 06:41 AM #13
Guy
Default Re: RNG in eq
Adding some anecdotal observations regarding /random:

In casinoing (/random 1 1000) certain trends do show up. Streaks show up in similar numbers, for instance, I have been told by another casinoer (this is what we do when we have no one playing, we talk about how un-random /random is :P) that if someone rolls a 900+ twice within a short period of time, that trend tends to continue. I can't confirm that, but it was mentioned to me. However, it is a trend I have noticed that at times numbers within a hundreds range can show up "clustered" as you call it, with numbers outside of that range coming up infrequently.
http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ead.php?t=8890

Your prohibition stripped a classic feature from the server while you're claiming you've made it more classic. That's ain't right.

[kruptcy]

Originally Posted by Olscratch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your prohibition stripped a classic feature from the server while you're claiming you've made it more classic. That's ain't right.

On Innoruuk during this time period casinos were banned. I understand that it was different server to server, but them banning casinos doesn't make it less classic, it makes them classic do a different server's standards.

RMTing was not really a problem during this era in live, it just wasn't as pervasive. Just as laws in the real world have to evolve to cover new inventions and innovations, so do the laws in our fantasy world. Just as 200 years ago there was no law against drinking and driving, and now there is, before there was not a need to curb RMTs, and now there is. No one is saying that it doesn't suck that a portion of the game that some people enjoyed needed to be removed in order to protect the legitimacy of the in-game economy; in fact, everyone involved in making the decision has expressed their sorrow that it had to be this way. The sad fact of the matter is, with current resources, it does HAVE to be this way. There are some great suggestions here about how to keep in-game player casinos going in a legitimate way, they would really work if Project 1999 could hire another full-time GM to police them. Unfortunately, they can't.

TL;DR version:

Everyone agrees it sucks, but there are legitimate reasons for banning casinos.
It does not make the server less classic.
Even though you have great ideas about how to make the system work, its best to just drop it and move on.