New map desktop app coming soon (as long as it's still kosher with p99 rules)

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CLASSIC EXPERIENCE

Almost no one has fond memories of classic EQ because of dial up disconnects or spending an hour lost in a zone or having to wait until tonight to ding because you have to go to school right now. They have fond memories because of the ingame mechanics and environments... stuff that is not affected by reading logs.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Almost no one has fond memories of classic EQ because of dial up disconnects or spending an hour lost in a zone or having to wait until tonight to ding because you have to go to school right now. They have fond memories because of the ingame mechanics and environments... stuff that is not affected by reading logs.

Well dial up disconnects and parents screaming at you to go to sleep at 2am were not really intended by the game designers as part of experience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Not having maps and getting lost - sort of were.
Of course everyone hates getting lost, getting killed and loosing their corpse with hard earn newbie gear - but that was part of original design.

But all that aside, the MOST important part of Classic Experience - is being new to the game - being a newbie. Exploring and finding out things for the first time, being surprised, overjoyed, scared, shocked etc. That part is GONE. You will never be newbie again, unless someone wipes out your mind, you will never truly relieve those experiences. At most you can hope to go the places you remember fondly and feel some nostalgia.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not having maps and getting lost - sort of were.

Sort of... yes.

I mean, they did include the /loc and logging systems, sell kunark and velious to you with maps included in the box (albeit not to the same level as a wiki or a mapping app), eventually implement a map ingame (suggesting perhaps the desire to do so originally but it just didn't happen cause of budget/technical limitations/time constraints, etc), etc.

Stuff like this isn't far off from something like FD splitting or AE groups. Neither of those things were "intended" by the developers of EQ; they were things that the players figured out they could do (and do legally) with the mechanics the devs gave them. So is this.

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will never be newbie again

Sort of... yes.

I've learned more about EQ in the time I've been on p99 than I learned in the time I played on live from early kunark on and off through like, LOY or something. There's a lot of breadth AND depth to this game. There's still plenty to discover and learn and do even now, over a decade after the true noob phase ended [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by drktmplr12 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't like it? don't use it.. but why come here and cry about how it isn't fair when 100% of the player base can use it? continue to tack your way across south karana while having the wiki map open in another window... i'll be skipping the step of locating myself on a inverted and rotated Cartesian coordinate system.

Then you'll be skipping the step of actually playing the game.

Exploration is supposed to be mandatory. It's Everquest. What do you think a quest is?

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Almost no one has fond memories of classic EQ because of spending an hour lost in a zone.

Yes they do. That's a huge reason why people have fond memories of the game - going to new places and not knowing what to expect or exactly where to go and actually learning the terrain and setup of the area.

The game becomes significantly different when you can just click a button that tells you exactly where to go and takes you out of first-person perspective and into satellite view.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you'll be skipping the step of actually playing the game.

Exploration is supposed to be mandatory. It's Everquest. What do you think a quest is?



Yes they do. That's a huge reason why people have fond memories of the game - going to new places and not knowing what to expect or exactly where to go and actually learning the terrain and setup of the area.

The game becomes significantly different when you can just click a button that tells you exactly where to go and takes you out of first-person perspective and into satellite view.

Almost all my memories of traveling in classic were running against a zone wall lol. When it comes to maps I am sorta ambivalent towards them. In some ways they actually let people see more of the game ie not running along the zone wall every time, but on the other hand they do take away a lot of that feeling of exploration.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by juniafrakke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No one is here to play your static snapshot of nostalgia any more than they are here to play mine. This server is not all about you and what "classic" subjectively means to you; EQ is many things and many feels to many different people for many different reasons. Most overlaps, but some doesn't.

2. "Classic You" would have sht their gamer pants over this logfile GPS hack for exactly the same reason Classic You printed out the entire EQAtlas site. For the daily classic player, utterly shameless spoilers were a given, remember? So long as it obeys EULA, anti-spoiler = anti-classic.

3. Logfile GPS was technically possible in '99 and just because it didn't bubble up to the surface doesn't mean it's "not classic". Have you listened to the description of it? Binding loc to movement keys, community programmers hacking log files into a makeshift GPS to produce a crude live map? Sht is classic af.

4. 100% parity with your nostalgia isn't necessary to recapture the fun of classic. You're playing P99 in 2014, not EQ in 1999. It's close, but it's not literally the same in every detail and it never will be. So ease up on the Captain Classic zealotry, it's a guaranteed path to your own disappointment.

5. No one wants to see P99 burn. Just because someone has a different definition of classic from yours doesn't mean that person respects classic / P99 less than you. We all respect it, that's why we're here. So long as it follows the rules, have a little faith & flexibility in the community when it comes to changes that deviate from your expectations of the perfect classic experience (see: #4)

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[drktmplr12]

quite a claim to determine what is intended in a video game you didn't develop. i don't see any evidence to support it either. a claim without evidence is just conjecture.

the precise reason to implement a log is to read it...why else write it all down?

aside from that:

i can't believe this is controversial. Everything in the map is freely available information that was compiled into one place.

think it gives an unfair advantage? not sure what is unfair about an app available to everyone if some simply refuse to use it.

you don't like it? don't use it.. but why come here and cry about how it isn't fair when 100% of the player base can use it? continue to tack your way across south karana while having the wiki map open in another window... i'll be skipping the step of locating myself on a inverted and rotated Cartesian coordinate system.

in summary...

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[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by drktmplr12 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't like it? don't use it..]

I hear you but if we follow that logic then why not just play on live and ignore the last 35 expansions and pretend its classic.

Why not let people box, bot and offset? You don't like it? you don't have to use it.

This is pee in the pool. The only way to avoid it is to stop swimming and get out.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

get out

Go ahead then. Git!

[Mirox]

Wow, people are getting very upset by a simple mapper. I am afraid of what will happen when they get released with way more options than have been shown so far.