Official PSA - ALL GUILDS - Judgement Day is Coming

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, but asking TMO to help fix this is like having the Nazis on the war crimes tribunal.

I lol'd

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who gives a shit raid mob? Apparently TMO gave a shit because of all the effort they spent keeping everyone else from them and turning this server into a thugocracy.

I'm sorry, but asking TMO to help fix this is like having the Nazis on the war crimes tribunal.

HEY, NAZIS ARE PEOPLE TOO!

[falkun]

Fair enough, Chest. But I have never been out for flesh, even my own idea was a 50% split of hardcore and casual, see my post from 4 days ago, before the "everyone gets raid suspended" threat started looming over our collective heads.

[nambar]

TMO should all go to Argentina (that one server the stoner from that one guild made).

[JayN]

I believe the nazis killed people, not sure tmo ever killed anyone; just owned whiny bitches, like you

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that would work great, except for amazingly large variance. Unless the rotation just picks up where it leaves off after the 14 days, but then that means there is going to be a huge wait for rotations.

This has to be based on sort of FTE. You can't expect TMO to get the same stuff the Buttholesurfers Guild gets. Hell why even play? They where top dog for a reason. You want them and FE to just wait 3 weeks for a who gives a shit Raid Mob to pop??

I got bad news for you all. This is NEVER going to work long term. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why should we capitulate? We lose very little by the extended raid suspension, you are suggesting the agreements are actually pretty close, and you are in the minority.

Prove we are in the minority. We have something like 300-400 people signed off.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair enough, Chest. But I have never been out for flesh, even my own idea was a 50% split of hardcore and casual, see my post.

Ya the pound of flesh thing was said last night by Mazam or Unbrella, I can't remember. At this time no other plans are being considered aside from the two that were discussed last night. Everyone posting plans should get with their guild reps and use the proper channels to bring something new to the table.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Flippie

Why not just accept the Proposed Plan by TMO/FE/IB, let the plan shift to the 10 days that was suggested and if Category B guilds want to rotate among themselves, so be it.

One of the things you guys need to stop doing is assuming that we are stupid. Your plan got a lot of backlash because most people did not see it as a good faith effort, but rather an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes. There are huge differences between Divinity's plan and your plan, even if the 7 days becomes 10.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loraen there's a lot of guilds and players, and not that many mobs.

If Velious comes out and FE/IB compete over NToV/ST key mobs/Dain and leave Kunark/Classic/PoG/Kael arena/temple alone... do you think THAT would be a better server?

I do.

IMO one of the best parts of Divinity's plan is that all guilds get to see all the content eventually without having to step into the fetid swamp of variance raiding.

Originally Posted by Chest

Deajay let's keep the rhetoric to a minimum. No one wants to hold out and stall raiding just to prove a point, the end goal is to come up with an equitable plan for all parties involved. That's it. It's not about making up for past transgressions or the casual guilds getting our "pound of flesh" as was said last night. We all want to raid, we each have our preferred method of doing so, we just need to figure out the details.

Agreed 100%.

That being said, in any negotiation its important to consider your BATNA (best alternative to an agreement). I don't think the raid guilds have fully realized just how bad theirs is. The real question is not how long the non-raid guild would hold out (forever) but how Sirken would assign votes to various guilds. One vote per guild (or per player) and the casual guilds just cathartically vote in a full rotation, and your share of the mobs drops from 70% to 30%. He might not do that, because he does love competition, but do you really want to take that chance?

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has to be based on sort of FTE. You can't expect TMO to get the same stuff the Buttholesurfers Guild gets. Hell why even play? They where top dog for a reason. You want them and FE to just wait 3 weeks for a who gives a shit Raid Mob to pop??

I got bad news for you all. This is NEVER going to work long term. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We read it the first time, rerun. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it right, it just makes it redundant.