Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[aowen]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The main use of the funds they get from trakanon breastplates and other gear is to buy other accounts to sit on spawn targets. These accounts are shared to people with the most playtime. So you have 20-30ish people with access to 20 accounts sitting on every target not in VP. So while most guilds would have to mobilize to a place. They can log in account and be fighting the boss 8-10 seconds after logging in. Sometimes they will tank stall a fight with Soulfire's *instant click cheal with 5 charges and easy to get*, to established something called FTE(First to engage). So they can have 2-3 people fight a raid mob almost indefinitely until forces log in.

It is pretty insurmountable unless you ask your entire guild to set their primary level 60 raider on a spawn point and log on 3-5 seconds after a batphone(a text message/twitter blast) is called by the tracker(the guy who gets paid DKP to sit and look at their screen until the mob pops).

Hope that explains to you what goes on at a high level raiding situation.

So that's a good synopsis of what goes on now. I have respect for those that are willing to do this, and I appreciate this level of competition, but I also find it highly tedious and simply not fun. I think many of us would like to see the system evolve into something that is not only more fun, but more reasonable and inclusive.

Tokens could be a consideration as many have proposed. An occasional pop of everything is also a thought. A combination of tokens for zones and variance may prove to be most fair, but others may think of something better. Let's remember that no change has to be permanent, and that implementing and testing new rules for raiding could be a benefit not only to those that are currently being disallowed access to end-game content, but those already sitting on top too.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if you had to choose between variance and all the mobs on the server popping at once, which would you choose?

I think the second choice would get my adrenaline pumping and be more fun, but that's just me.

Here is how I'm reading "choose between variance and simultaneous respawns":
Pick one:
A) Remove Variance or reduce it to <4 hours.
B) Keep Variance, but add simultaneous respawns at least once a month where every raid mob spawns at once.

I'd rather have B) simultaneous respawns, even if they are unannounced. But if I had it my way, I'd prefer both implemented simultaneously.

[Nirgon]

This whining about VP being a non-CSR zone is just typical.

I heard WoW is free to play now! Or Rift if you wanna be edgy.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whining about VP being a non-CSR zone is just typical.

I heard WoW is free to play now! Or Rift if you wanna be edgy.

Training in VP has nothing to do with being non-CSR. According to Rogean it is a separate issue altogether.

Look at the poll thread, about a page or so in.


He also noted that it can be up for debate.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whining about VP being a non-CSR zone is just typical.

I heard WoW is free to play now! Or Rift if you wanna be edgy.

Yeah, I really don't care about VP training at all to be honest. The staff has indicated they do not have time for the headache that is VP, so the current rules make sense. I'll take people's word that the pathing is too difficult to stop trains, hence the current staff ruling.

I just have a problem with variance. I think with FTE shouts in place, it isn't really needed anymore.

[aowen]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whining about VP being a non-CSR zone is just typical.

I heard WoW is free to play now! Or Rift if you wanna be edgy.

Just ignore him, he has nothing to contribute

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just ignore him, he has nothing to contribute

I actually respect his opinion on things from time to time. I am willing to engage him.

He needs to use his magic knowledge of eq to find some info on how bow pulling worked though.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I really don't care about VP training at all to be honest. The staff has indicated they do not have time for the headache that is VP, so the current rules make sense. I'll take people's word that the pathing is too difficult to stop trains, hence the current staff ruling.

I just have a problem with variance. I think with FTE shouts in place, it isn't really needed anymore.

Variance windows could be shortened with FTE shout implemented. Although I would keep the random extended spawn time variable in place, albeit reduced as well. Sitting on the spawn is kinda lame.

[aowen]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually respect his opinion on things from time to time. I am willing to engage him.

He needs to use his magic knowledge of eq to find some info on how bow pulling worked though.

I would respect his opinion if he demonstrates he is able to voice it in a respectful and relevant manner.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would respect his opinion if he demonstrates he is able to voice it in a respectful and relevant manner.

Ehh its hard to get out of the RNF mode sometimes. His post-count show's he actually gives a crap about the well being of the server. Those 11k post's aren't all trolls.