Senate fails the country again.

[Humerox]

and in other news Adolphus A. Busch IV (the beer king) resigns from the NRA over their stance on background checks.

No beer for you!

[Barkingturtle]

Oh come on. Nobody wants to rape your nasty-ass wife. You're delusional.

[Langrisser]

yea, if we're talking statistics lets use our heads...

the hero scenario and endofdays you freaks are waiting for will never come except as it comes to all men. your gun wont save you from the reaper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

guns will also not give you medical care. would you rather have guns or doctors... just sayin. fuck off with the guns and get a real hobby please, this is 2013 thanks.

todays modern society in urban cities has little use for rifles to be open carried. the wide array of handguns, tasers, pepperspray, camera systems, cellphones, armor options, and police services should be the combination of personal protection and government service to handle your needs. you are not rambo, bros.

you of course should be allowed to have whatever weapons if you are out a certain distance from certain services and/or among wilderness threats, or just for fun... being near other people probably isnt your thing anyway so leave it to people who are adapted to living in a community without being totally paranoid and hoarding RPG's to fight ... who again??

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Langrisser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea, if we're talking statistics lets use our heads...

the hero scenario and endofdays you freaks are waiting for will never come except as it comes to all men. your gun wont save you from the reaper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

guns will also not give you medical care. would you rather have guns or doctors... just sayin. fuck off with the guns and get a real hobby please, this is 2013 thanks.

todays modern society in urban cities has little use for rifles to be open carried. the wide array of handguns, tasers, pepperspray, camera systems, cellphones, armor options, and police services should be the combination of personal protection and government service to handle your needs. you are not rambo, bros.

you of course should be allowed to have whatever weapons if you are out a certain distance from certain services and/or among wilderness threats, or just for fun... being near other people probably isnt your thing anyway so leave it to people who are adapted to living in a community without being totally paranoid and hoarding RPG's to fight ... who again??

You should try to understand Platos 5 regimes and where we fall in that list. Here I will help you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_five_regimes

The society you are putting so much faith in is prone to cycles where power becomes distributed amongst a few over a certain period of time. This centralization of powers becomes a Tyranny and has to be overthrown through the combined efforts of the people. This isn't about sport or even protection from criminals. An armed citizenry is the only defense against tyranny period. Non violent means are preferred but come on how many instances do you end up with something like a Gandhi where non violence wins out over a powerful force? Do you think anything even remotely like that is possible today with the vapid nature of our media obsessed culture?

Don't confuse the issues here the 2nd amendment is not about sport or crime. Its about protecting your god given rights from anyone else enforcing their will on you. This is why our system has checks and balances and even then the founders knew that would only work for so long (they probably understood Plato) so they put in another check that being an armed citizenry. Remove that last check and there is nothing to stop the rulers from doing what they want and backing it up with force, its been proven all throughout history.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't confuse the issues here the 2nd amendment is not about sport or crime. Its about protecting your god given rights from anyone else enforcing their will on you. This is why our system has checks and balances and even then the founders knew that would only work for so long (they probably understood Plato) so they put in another check that being an armed citizenry. Remove that last check and there is nothing to stop the rulers from doing what they want and backing it up with force, its been proven all throughout history.

I'm surprised a dude who evidently once purchased an Intro to Philosophy textbook at his local community college could be so dumb.

I mean really, just really. Until the second amendment guarantees our right to possess and utilize in our self-defense jets, missiles, helicopters, killer robots and AIDS the government is going to find the citizenry a minor annoyance should they decide they want to "enforce their will upon you". Even armed to the best of your ability, the government is gonna fuck you up, son.

Just admit you're afraid of being raped by a black dude. And by "afraid" I mean "afraid you'll get caught loving it". That's what it usually boils down to within the consumer segment of the gun culture.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm surprised a dude who evidently once purchased an Intro to Philosophy textbook at his local community college could be so dumb.

I mean really, just really. Until the second amendment guarantees our right to possess and utilize in our self-defense jets, missiles, helicopters, killer robots and AIDS the government is going to find the citizenry a minor annoyance should they decide they want to "enforce their will upon you". Even armed to the best of your ability, the government is gonna fuck you up, son.

Just admit you're afraid of being raped by a black dude. And by "afraid" I mean "afraid you'll get caught loving it". That's what it usually boils down to within the consumer segment of the gun culture.

So in other words you have no real rebuttal except for ad hominem attacks among the other employed logical fallacies in your post? The Government cant even handle Afghanistan you think they can handle 100+ million armed citizens? Not just enemies but friends and family. Try not to be so myopic.

[Black Jesus]

I want a new page

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I apologize that I got sick of seeing posts from a wigger who continually made statements that had 0 references to back them up and disregarded 6, count them 6, different people attempted to explain to him that he was misinformed and provided him with multiple references each. But you're blind as well. If you want to consider my giving up on trying to convince an ignorant person to stop being ignorant as my giving up on the debate that's your prerogative.

I'd also like to note that throughout the thread the only side that has resorted to labeling time and time again is the blind pro-gun wiggers/southerners. I haven't seen the word 'liberal' tossed around so much since the last time I was unfortunate enough to see more than a minute of faux news.

Guess what, I'm not a liberal, you are still ignorant and mistaken.

Nothing else to see from you here, it's the same ol' shitty tune each time.

They linked me polls I never asked for nor denied (as I had already seen them). I explained that FFL dealers need Form 4473 and NICS background checks for every sale, even on the internet/gun shows, so polling people about it is as retarded as asking if we should invade Iraq-- the damage is already done.

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know any funny names for MSNBC, I do call CNN the Cirno News Network. Cirno is a character who is famous for being stupid.

Communist News Network, just as (in)famously stupid too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thread title should read: Americans fail, elect politicians who are rich and don't care about protecting it's citizens or their freedom.




Thought people would have learned after what clinton did to our intelligence agencies and military spending to stop electing sissies as president. This country has gotten so weak in the last 20 years, wtb a hard ass motherfucking president who will protect his citizens and their rights.

I fail to understand how making guns harder to obtain is protecting my freedom. But I agree with you on the second part, we need a Putin in charge of this country.

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you really knocking the greatest 8 years this country has had since Kennedy?

Clinton murdered like 50+ innocent children by firebombing them with tanks the first year of office at Waco. Then he staged okc and tried to pass something similar to the Patriot Act.

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Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

id like to throw a poll up here for all the "conservatives" about legalizing pot, keeping church and state separate while tossing in a pro choice/life question and about 99% of all the "conservatives" here would land on the liberal side of the fence.

just sayin

The first amendment does not have a separation of church and state clause. Morans try suing the local courthouse for displaying the 10 commandments... but congress did not respect establishment of religion so they fail. Also abortion is murder, you don't want me to link a pic of that though (in fact, I've been banned for doing so before)

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thread illustrates nicely how guns attract the worst our society has to offer.

Good thing we're takin' 'em all away.

That might spark a 20+ year civil war more bloodier than the first one. I doubt it though, as a majority of the military is pro-gun.

Originally Posted by Langrisser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

todays modern society in urban cities has little use for rifles to be open carried. the wide array of handguns, tasers, pepperspray, camera systems, cellphones, armor options, and police services should be the combination of personal protection and government service to handle your needs. you are not rambo, bros.

LEAVE IT TO THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT YOU!!! owait, 9/11. Man 1 armed pilot might have made all the difference whoda thunk guns could save lives........

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first amendment does not have a separation of church and state clause

naw...one of the writers just used the term in "expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause"...

but hey...he just helped draft it and all

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

naw...one of the writers just used the term in "expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause"...

but hey...he just helped draft it and all

the Court has not always interpreted the constitutional principle as absolute, and the proper extent of separation between government and religion in the U.S. remains an ongoing subject of impassioned debate.[3][4][5][6]

GOD BLESS COURTHOUSES WITH THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND POLICE STATIONS WITH CHRISTMAS TREES

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

90 million of whom will be sucking dicks for french fries after less than a week of cave living...don't knock the Afghanis...

this is actually a good time to bring up the fact that framer's intent probably meant the right to bear arms in order to have a militia so there could be organized resistance to government...but there is no militia and no organization so it's just a bunch of tools. 100 million rednecks spattering their driveways with assault weapons fire while Apache gunships, heavy artillery and drones blow them all to smithereens.

Fuck yeah! Merica!

There are literally thousands of citizen militias. You like to quote Jefferson, maybe understand why he removed commas when ratifying the second amendment to give people the personal right to bear arms, regardless of militia involvement.