My America

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And then there are a few of us who have actually served our country and hold our heads high.

How, and why? Simple questions.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How, and why? Simple questions.

if they served to defend their direct boundaries then i would have understood it (like fighting those mustached people with sombreros, armed with pitchforks and the like) ...but going out to fight other countries thousands of miles away and being proud of it is just the outcome of successful propaganda

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How, and why? Simple questions.

United States Marine Corps. My dad was in the navy and died from chemicals (agent orange) he was exposed to in Vietnam. His dad was in the navy in World War II and in Korea. I am a veteran son of a veteran son of a veteran. Both of them are now buried in the Fort Snelling National Cemetery. (My grandpa died this spring.) I expect to join them in 50 or 60 years.

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

United States Marine Corps. My dad was in the navy and died from chemicals (agent orange) he was exposed to in Vietnam. His dad was in the navy in World War II and in Korea. I am a veteran son of a veteran son of a veteran. Both of them are now buried in the Fort Snelling National Cemetery. (My grandpa died this spring.) I expect to join them in 50 or 60 years.

Very well, and much respect to your grandparents. My own line has served in WWI, Vietnam, and korea.

However, you like me are a descendant of those who died defending against known, direct and overt harm. Korea and Vietnam however, as with Panama, the Gulf, and several others are NOT the same fight, they are NOT fought for the same reason.

They are, and have been admitted to be, false and totally political or money making ventures. These actions do NOT serve the people but rather by their propagation, frequency and propaganda behind them serve to instead reinforce extreme nationalism, xenophobia, and fear.

You hold your head high for "serving" but it seems more by your ancestors actions do you hold yourself by. As of yet you have not, to my knowledge, done anything to directly defend and aid the people of America, outside the very few who directly profiteered from the actions via a bank statement.

I have nothing but respect for those who quietly serve acting silently yet critically in defense of their country (whatever country that may be FYI) but to harp upon passive acts of service as if it makes you a better judge of freedom or liberty, or to constantly remind people of your "status" is worthy of maybe not contempt but surely derision.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have nothing but respect for those who quietly serve acting silently yet critically in defense of their country (whatever country that may be FYI)

Thats the problem i have with the US military, when was the last time the US defended itself? Bombing water treatment facilities in Iraq is not self-defense.

Its on a permanent war economy and as soon as enemy du jour #1 is down, another is picked to take its place. Thats my main gripe, if the US was getting attacked and foreign tanks were in US streets, id probably head down there and help you guys fight. But i cant think of a US war i could support since WW2.

[Xenephex]

Jesus, Shadowwulf, do you even have the slightest inkling of the history of the Korean war? And while I'm not going to try to defend Vietnam, which was mis-guided, massively mis-managed and completely mis-understood by almost everyone, have you ever wondered why it is that Taxi even has a 'Vietnamese neighbor?' Why so many of us have so many Vietnamese neighbors? Ask them some time.

It's because the North Vietnamese communists, who many in my generation hailed as 'freedom fighters', in the end turned out to the murderous thugs that almost every communist government turns out to be, and as a result a boatload (literally) of people in South Vietnam were willing to risk their lives and lose everything they had to get the hell out of there (and come here) once the communists took over. Double ditto for Cambodia.

I could almost deal with your incredibly simplistic world view, but the underlying ignorance you guys display makes it hopeless to even try to engage in a hostile dialogue.

Going to the quote well one last time, Churchill (he's in Wikipedia if you don't know who he is), once called Mussolini a 'utensil.' He could only have described you idiots as 'sporks.'

Have fun; link a youtube video or something.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And then there are a few of us who have actually served our country and hold our heads high.

Thats right, hold that head high!

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[Gorgetrapper]

You guys can handle Hitler all you want then!

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys can handle Hitler all you want then!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRMeRVHq03o

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys can handle Hitler all you want then!

comparing a police state in the 1940ies with a federal republic in 2010...there is something wrong rite here.